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Wood Glue
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Wood Glue
Cany anyone recommend a really strong wood glue that doesn't melt in the sun? No More Nails has proved a failure so if anyone knows of another product I'd appreciate it.
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Re: Wood Glue
It depends how much surface area you've got to work with. If it's a lot, then cheap PVA should be fine, as long as it can be squeezed together until it sets.
For a smaller area, then I'd say any general purpose glue would do - UHU or similar generic stuff.
Scott.
For a smaller area, then I'd say any general purpose glue would do - UHU or similar generic stuff.
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Re: Wood Glue
swill453 wrote:It depends how much surface area you've got to work with. If it's a lot, then cheap PVA should be fine, as long as it can be squeezed together until it sets.
For a smaller area, then I'd say any general purpose glue would do - UHU or similar generic stuff.
Scott.
Another vote for pva glue. If applied and clamped until it's dry, I've found the bond is stronger than the wood.
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Re: Wood Glue
Depends entirely on the context. Are we sticking large panels together, or panels and stripwood, or wood to something else?
Old-style cabinet makers and intrument makers have been using (hot) hide glue for the last five hundred years or so. It doesn't swell the fibres like PVA can. Those 350 year old Strads are still going strong!
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Old-style cabinet makers and intrument makers have been using (hot) hide glue for the last five hundred years or so. It doesn't swell the fibres like PVA can. Those 350 year old Strads are still going strong!
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Re: Wood Glue
BullDog wrote:swill453 wrote:It depends how much surface area you've got to work with. If it's a lot, then cheap PVA should be fine, as long as it can be squeezed together until it sets.
For a smaller area, then I'd say any general purpose glue would do - UHU or similar generic stuff.
Scott.
Another vote for pva glue. If applied and clamped until it's dry, I've found the bond is stronger than the wood.
For wood to wood joins it's certainly where I'd go first
You can sometimes get away with just a couple of hours clamping while it initially dries - full curing though will normally take about a day
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Re: Wood Glue
I've been recently introduced to the wonders of superglue + bicarbonate of soda (as seen on many YouTube clips). Not a glue as such but brilliant for filling holes where fixings need attaching, such as chipboard cabinets where the hinge screws or dowels have been pulled out, damaging the hole etc
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Re: Wood Glue
Some PVA goes soft when it gets wet but you can get waterproof PVA.
Search for "wood glue" and you will find other options such as the Evo-Stik resin type (looks like PVA but feels more resiny — interior and exterior variants). There is polyurethane wood glue — slightly fizzy, I am not keen on this one myself.
A very rapid type is Mitre adhesive. This comes as a bottle of super glue and an activator, usually in a spray can. You glue one component and squirt the activator on the other, then hold the parts together for about ten seconds. This works on a range of materials such as wood, the "gluable" plastics such as μPVC, and fingers.
If you want something completely waterproof, there is Cascamite. This comes as a water-repellant powder that you mix with water. I haven't used it for years but I remember having to make a stiff paste first before adding more water. If you start with too much water, you get powder-filled bubbles that don't dissolve or break up easily.
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Search for "wood glue" and you will find other options such as the Evo-Stik resin type (looks like PVA but feels more resiny — interior and exterior variants). There is polyurethane wood glue — slightly fizzy, I am not keen on this one myself.
A very rapid type is Mitre adhesive. This comes as a bottle of super glue and an activator, usually in a spray can. You glue one component and squirt the activator on the other, then hold the parts together for about ten seconds. This works on a range of materials such as wood, the "gluable" plastics such as μPVC, and fingers.
If you want something completely waterproof, there is Cascamite. This comes as a water-repellant powder that you mix with water. I haven't used it for years but I remember having to make a stiff paste first before adding more water. If you start with too much water, you get powder-filled bubbles that don't dissolve or break up easily.
Julian F. G. W.
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Re: Wood Glue
jfgw wrote:Some PVA goes soft when it gets wet but you can get waterproof PVA.
If you want something completely waterproof, there is Cascamite.
A technical chap at Borden - the then manufacturers - told me he regards Cascamite as water-resistant.
If you want waterproof, use Cascophen two-pack.
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Re: Wood Glue
Sorry I should have been more specific. Over many years holidaying in France we've collected a lot of wine most of it in wooden boxes and we have covered the inside of the summerhouse roof with the box ends (it's nice to sit there and reminisce about the places we visited and when we bought them) We used 'No More Nails' but unfortunately this has melted/gone soft in the heat and some of the box ends have dropped off. Luckily they tend to come unstuck slowly so one has suffered any clouts on the head so this is why I wanted to find a more heat resistant solution. Screwing them up there is not am option as this would turn the roof into a collander.
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Re: Wood Glue
Rhyd6 wrote:Sorry I should have been more specific. Over many years holidaying in France we've collected a lot of wine most of it in wooden boxes and we have covered the inside of the summerhouse roof with the box ends (it's nice to sit there and reminisce about the places we visited and when we bought them) We used 'No More Nails' but unfortunately this has melted/gone soft in the heat and some of the box ends have dropped off. Luckily they tend to come unstuck slowly so one has suffered any clouts on the head so this is why I wanted to find a more heat resistant solution. Screwing them up there is not am option as this would turn the roof into a collander.
A double-sided mounting tape might work, and be pretty easy to use.
Something like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Jiaweixiang-Mu ... 0C5RG88ZJ/
(Others are available, obviously.)
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Re: Wood Glue
Bit surprised No More Nails (Serviceable from -10°C to +50°C.) let you down I've found it to be OK. Do you know how hot the summer house gets?
Gripfill Service Temperature -30°C to +70°C. or Pinkgrip (-50 °C to +35 °C) are my go to grab adhesives.
I'd have thought for wood on wood action that wood glue, PVA would be just the ticket but bonds do need clamping overnight.
Gripfill Service Temperature -30°C to +70°C. or Pinkgrip (-50 °C to +35 °C) are my go to grab adhesives.
I'd have thought for wood on wood action that wood glue, PVA would be just the ticket but bonds do need clamping overnight.
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Re: Wood Glue
swill453 wrote:A double-sided mounting tape might work, and be pretty easy to use.
Something like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Jiaweixiang-Mu ... 0C5RG88ZJ/
(Others are available, obviously.)
I've had this fall from a cable tidy mounted on the underside of a desk. Swapped it for new self adhesive Velcro Alfo-Lok which is still up. But too expensive for a large area and you don't need the demountable facility.
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Re: Wood Glue
I'm gonna stick my neck out here and say that heat will not cause No More Nails to melt. On the contrary it probably brittles with age.
Your roof deck however, which I'll guess is timber, will experience thermal expansion / contraction which could be excessive in hot weather causing the bond between the deck and panel to break.
In that case you could try Command Strips which being velcro should be able to accommodate some thermal movement because it's not a rigid bond.
They come in different sizes to suit the size and weight of your item. I have some fairly large heavy framed pictures stuck to the wall with them so they'll easily accommodate your timber panels.
https://groceries.asda.com/product/hook ... lsrc=aw.ds
Your roof deck however, which I'll guess is timber, will experience thermal expansion / contraction which could be excessive in hot weather causing the bond between the deck and panel to break.
In that case you could try Command Strips which being velcro should be able to accommodate some thermal movement because it's not a rigid bond.
They come in different sizes to suit the size and weight of your item. I have some fairly large heavy framed pictures stuck to the wall with them so they'll easily accommodate your timber panels.
https://groceries.asda.com/product/hook ... lsrc=aw.ds
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