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by Wizard
September 20th, 2019, 8:39 am
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Immigration
Replies: 47
Views: 1134

Re: Immigration

I think that's a bit unfair on BobbyD. I believe it is quite possible that people often stick to their entrenched line based on their original position through what is sometimes called "loss of face". That's why there's been some talk about giving various parties in the Brexit problem &qu...
by Wizard
September 20th, 2019, 8:14 am
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Immigration
Replies: 47
Views: 1134

Re: Immigration

...again that might seem logical, but it isn't necessarily true, or in my view likely. Given the choice between maintaining your view and changing the rationale and reassessing the rationale and changing your conclusion most people are more likely to maintain their belief and change the hook they h...
by Wizard
September 20th, 2019, 7:45 am
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: It's not true!
Replies: 1
Views: 96

Re: It's not true!

Earlier this week my son was telling me about a lesson at school that day where they had been looking at various media reports of the same event. The point was to see that they need to understand most media outlets have a ‘position’ on most stories and present information in a certain way. By readin...
by Wizard
September 20th, 2019, 7:33 am
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Immigration
Replies: 47
Views: 1134

Re: Immigration

That's probably why they chose to take advantage of the 7 year moratorium on freedom of movement from accession states in 2004. Blair chose not to. The UK not only agreed to the expansion of the EU, but championed the cause of Eastern European countries wishing to join the EU. The UK decided agains...
by Wizard
September 19th, 2019, 7:41 pm
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?
Replies: 1056
Views: 21089

Re: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?

What I implied earlier, it's obvious that the EU are getting increasing p!ssed with the UK government's stagnation over Brexit France’s president, Emmanuel Macron, and Finland’s prime minister, Antti Rinne, told reporters in Paris that they were both “concerned about what is happening in Britain”. ...
by Wizard
September 19th, 2019, 8:39 am
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?
Replies: 1056
Views: 21089

Re: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?

No, not really. But it (whatever it is) seems more likely than the UK government actually putting together something workable. Don't you agree? No I don't agree, I think it is a ludicrous statement backed by no facts whatsoever. If the UK were to withdraw A50 it does needs no EU consent to do so as...
by Wizard
September 19th, 2019, 7:50 am
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?
Replies: 1056
Views: 21089

Re: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?

Yes. It seems much more likely that we will be forcefully ejected. Don't leavers realise that after nigh on 3.5 years, 1.5 prime ministers, 1 GE, that the whole thing is intractable? Sunk cost fallacy anyone? My bold. Can you explain how that plays out? No, not really. But it (whatever it is) seems...
by Wizard
September 19th, 2019, 7:48 am
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?
Replies: 1056
Views: 21089

Re: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?

Even if Johnson came up with an as yet unimagined replacement for the backstop that was perfect I see no incentive for the EU to agree it if they believe the Benn bill is legally watertight. If they agree to a deal that may be acceptable to Johnson there is a risk the UK may take it. Surely they mu...
by Wizard
September 19th, 2019, 7:33 am
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?
Replies: 1056
Views: 21089

Re: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?

Even if Johnson came up with an as yet unimagined replacement for the backstop that was perfect I see no incentive for the EU to agree it if they believe the Benn bill is legally watertight. If they agree to a deal that may be acceptable to Johnson there is a risk the UK may take it. Surely they mu...
by Wizard
September 18th, 2019, 9:25 pm
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?
Replies: 1056
Views: 21089

Re: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?

Even if Johnson came up with an as yet unimagined replacement for the backstop that was perfect I see no incentive for the EU to agree it if they believe the Benn bill is legally watertight. If they agree to a deal that may be acceptable to Johnson there is a risk the UK may take it. Surely they mus...
by Wizard
September 17th, 2019, 10:30 pm
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Verhofstadt wants EU Empire - Liberals want to join!
Replies: 62
Views: 1246

Re: Verhofstadt wants EU Empire - Liberals want to join!

Well to spell it out, as that seems necessary to make what I am saying clear to you, my point was that the desire to keep saying people were saying Verhofstadt said “EU Empire” meant that even though I did not say it it was suggested I had. Indeed SteMis appears to have felt it necessary to make cl...
by Wizard
September 17th, 2019, 10:19 pm
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Verhofstadt wants EU Empire - Liberals want to join!
Replies: 62
Views: 1246

Re: Verhofstadt wants EU Empire - Liberals want to join!

supremetwo made the claim in the original post https://www.lemonfool.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=251885#p251885 and was supported in that assertion by Nimrod103 https://www.lemonfool.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=252148#p252148 and Howyoudoin https://www.lemonfool.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=252191#p252191 Maybe so, b...
by Wizard
September 17th, 2019, 9:13 pm
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Verhofstadt wants EU Empire - Liberals want to join!
Replies: 62
Views: 1246

Re: Verhofstadt wants EU Empire - Liberals want to join!

Yes, I wasn't saying he talked about the EU as an empire but his use of empires in respect of the US and China. And nor did I, but the desire to claim others are saying he said "EU Empire" appears overwhelming! supremetwo made the claim in the original post https://www.lemonfool.co.uk/vie...
by Wizard
September 17th, 2019, 1:37 pm
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Verhofstadt wants EU Empire - Liberals want to join!
Replies: 62
Views: 1246

Re: Verhofstadt wants EU Empire - Liberals want to join!

I think you are right. When foreign politicians like Verhofstadt use (unhelpfully to Europhiles like myself) terms like 'empire' and 'EU army' they don't mean them in the strict literal definition. It's necessary to look behind the words and see the actual practical details of what they are proposi...
by Wizard
September 17th, 2019, 9:22 am
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Immigration
Replies: 47
Views: 1134

Re: Immigration

Ha ha! Firstly the G. has less real estate on Ads than the Indy. Secondly what's your response to the body of my response? I think my key point was valid my friend. The work was done by a respected academic institution, University College London. I am therefore working on the basis that their metho...
by Wizard
September 17th, 2019, 9:14 am
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Verhofstadt wants EU Empire - Liberals want to join!
Replies: 62
Views: 1246

Re: Verhofstadt wants EU Empire - Liberals want to join!

To my ears and reading it does appear to be that Verhofstadt is putting forward Europe as a peer of the "empires" that he mentions in his litany - to imply otherwise seems to be disingenuously splitting semantic hairs (which disappointingly seems to be a discussion style in abundance :-( ...
by Wizard
September 17th, 2019, 9:05 am
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?
Replies: 1056
Views: 21089

Re: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?

Ah the 70s! The decade of: - the kipper tie - mass unemployment - the 3 day week - the Angry Brigade - the National Front - the IRA - the UK being the "Sick man of Europe" - paedophiles presenting Top of the Pops So it's a vote from you for "No Deal" then? ;-) Suppose there migh...
by Wizard
September 17th, 2019, 9:01 am
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Immigration
Replies: 47
Views: 1134

Re: Immigration

I didn't read the "survey" but merely the linked Indy article, since the survey itself didn't seem to be downloadable from the web page. I don't believe that it (the article) completely undermines the emboldened argument. It just points out that a section of leaver voters, i.e. those who ...
by Wizard
September 17th, 2019, 7:46 am
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?
Replies: 1056
Views: 21089

Re: Boris Johnson PM - how it's going?

Bring back the seventies! 8-) Ah the 70s! The decade of: - the kipper tie - mass unemployment - the 3 day week - the Angry Brigade - the National Front - the IRA - the UK being the "Sick man of Europe" - paedophiles presenting Top of the Pops So it's a vote from you for "No Deal"...
by Wizard
September 17th, 2019, 7:43 am
Forum: Polite Discussions
Topic: Verhofstadt wants EU Empire - Liberals want to join!
Replies: 62
Views: 1246

Re: Verhofstadt wants EU Empire - Liberals want to join!

Oh I am a liar now for pointing out that Verhofstadt did not say what you claim he said. Not posting again? No great loss. Jeez, you’re an idiot. I see you're at it again. Could I ask, what makes someone an idiot for pointing out what he believes is a simple truth? Servodude has it right - this is ...

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