The Lemon Fool

scrumpyjack wrote:

scotview wrote:
Why ?

Does he think the planet is about to spontaneously combust ? Or does he have a vested interest in all that green energy tax payers funding ?

or even that anything we do, or don't do, in this tiny island will make any difference?

tjh290633 wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:
or even that anything we do, or don't do, in this tiny island will make any difference?

My theory is that the Earth is a self regulating system and given time it will sort itself out, even if we do nothing. Time constants can be very long and cycles vary in frequency. Even more important are solar cycles. One day we shall be heading for a little ice age.

When we have global cooling, what will the warmists do then?

TJH

scotview wrote:

richfool wrote:Switching to green fuel needs same urgency as Covid jab, says energy boss.

Why ?

Does he think the planet is about to spontaneously combust ? Or does he have a vested interest in all that green energy tax payers funding ?

UncleEbenezer wrote:

scotview wrote:Why ? Does he think the planet is about to spontaneously combust ? Or does he have a vested interest in all that green energy tax payers funding ?

At a guess, he's using the Covid jab analogy as a case where government didn't just pose and waffle but actually took meaningful action.

Mike4 wrote:

tjh290633 wrote:My theory is that the Earth is a self regulating system and given time it will sort itself out, even if we do nothing. Time constants can be very long and cycles vary in frequency. Even more important are solar cycles. One day we shall be heading for a little ice age.

When we have global cooling, what will the warmists do then?

TJH

I'm sure your theory is right. Its been around since at least the 1970s when James Lovelock proposed his "Gaia Principle" hypothesis.

The concern about it is the self-healing system which is The Earth, might decide to fix its overheating problem by getting rid of the cause i.e. the excessive number of human beings infesting it currently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

servodude wrote:

Mike4 wrote:I'm sure your theory is right. Its been around since at least the 1970s when James Lovelock proposed his "Gaia Principle" hypothesis.

The concern about it is the self-healing system which is The Earth, might decide to fix its overheating problem by getting rid of the cause i.e. the excessive number of human beings infesting it currently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

Yeah "the planet" will be just fine

Lootman wrote:

UncleEbenezer wrote:At a guess, he's using the Covid jab analogy as a case where government didn't just pose and waffle but actually took meaningful action.

Can you give examples of such "meaningful action"?

scotview wrote:

88V8 wrote:I agree. But in the context of renewables the keyword 'batteries' is still missing from mainstream/govt thinking.

V8

And a rebuild of the grid to handle the X30 increase in generation to power our homes, transport and industry.

funduffer wrote:Can't be as high as x30.

FD

scotview wrote:

richfool wrote:Switching to green fuel needs same urgency as Covid jab, says energy boss

There are a few caviats.

1 For how long will wind power generation need a semi-hot standby, fully balancing fleet of gas turbine generators with guaranteed gas supply.

2 What is the REAL timescale and practicality for UK sized battery storage for say 5 days.

3 How many large nuclear stations will be required and when will the first one be on the bars.

4 When will the fleet of small scale reactors be generating.

5 Where will the nuclear waste be stored.

6 What is the total amount of NEW electricity generation Terawatts required to replace the UK buildings heating load supplied by HC, with the complimentary virtual rebuilding of the nations grid.

Haven't seen any answers to the above basic questions by GOV. There is no big picture and supporting detailed strategy.

Dod101 wrote:
It is like the fuel farms which you can see at airports. Each of the tanks has a different name on it, Esso, BP, Shell and so on but they all contain exactly the same fuel and in fact will all be linked to the same input pipe. For a mere £10 per month extra, as I understand the offer, Ovo will supply me with green energy and make me feel better, but like Octopus I have no doubt that they buy their energy from the national grid, with its mix of fossil fuels and green energy.

Dod

daveh wrote:

Dod101 wrote:
It is like the fuel farms which you can see at airports. Each of the tanks has a different name on it, Esso, BP, Shell and so on but they all contain exactly the same fuel and in fact will all be linked to the same input pipe. For a mere £10 per month extra, as I understand the offer, Ovo will supply me with green energy and make me feel better, but like Octopus I have no doubt that they buy their energy from the national grid, with its mix of fossil fuels and green energy.

Dod

I'm with OVO, my bill from them tells me what the source mix of OVO's energy is ( which is not very green). But in reality most of my electricity most of the year is going to be generated by wind as that is what most of my local sources of potential difference are. If the wind is not blowing next source of PD is going to be Peterhead gas station and then hydropower. After that it's going to be nuclear from South of Scotland and then hydro from Norway.

Dod101 wrote:

daveh wrote:I'm with OVO, my bill from them tells me what the source mix of OVO's energy is ( which is not very green). But in reality most of my electricity most of the year is going to be generated by wind as that is what most of my local sources of potential difference are. If the wind is not blowing next source of PD is going to be Peterhead gas station and then hydropower. After that it's going to be nuclear from South of Scotland and then hydro from Norway.

Is that how it works? I thought it all just went into the grid and intermingled as it were.

Dod