New energy tariffs - real info please ?

[pje16]

Alarming price differentials around the country for electricity daily rates

Price per day for Single Rate Electricity Meter from April 2022 by British region in order of percentage charge.

London: up 8p a day to 31p - a 38% increase
Eastern: up 13p a day to 36p - a 58% increase
South East: up 17p a day to 40p - a 73% increase
North West: up 17p a day to 40p - 73% increase
Southern: up 18p a day to 41p - an 80% increase
Yorkshire: up 21p a day to 46p - an 81% increase
North Scotland: up 22p a day to 48p - a 83% increase
Northern: up 21p a day to 46p - an 85% increase
East Midlands: up 20p a day to 43p - an 88% increase
Midlands: up 22p a day to 46p - a 92% increase
South Wales: up 22p a day to 46p - a 94% increase
Southern Scotland: up 24p a day to 47p - a 100% increase
South Western: up 25p a day to 49p - a 101% increase
North Wales & Merseyside: up 23p a day to 45p - 102% increase

source Ofgem taken from
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60878314

[scotview]

Alarming price differentials around the country for electricity daily rates

Price per day for Single Rate Electricity Meter from April 2022 by British region in order of percentage charge.
London: up 8p a day to 31p - a 38% increase
North Wales & Merseyside: up 23p a day to 45p - 102% increase
source Ofgem taken from
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60878314

Levelling up ? I think the Tories have a death wish.

[pje16]

Levelling up ? I think the Tories have a death wish.

I didn't know they set energy prices... news to me

[swill453]

Just had notification of my monthly Direct Debit change from E.ON Next - increasing by 105%.

I don't actually care though, I'm moving house and will be gone within a month.

Scott.

[UncleEbenezer]

49p a day, nearly 180 squid a year before I've even turned the bloomin' lights on

It's not so long since I was paying less than that in total.

[pje16]

and that 49p is just the electricity
what about the gas

btw Easterns is 36
Shells tariff shows 37.92 - thieves or incompetents?

[UncleEbenezer]

It's worse than that. Just done a bit of poking around, and in the Real World that 49p is between 51p and 53p. Or 80p once we've added in the gas. Nearly £300/year just in standing charge.

I'm just trying to recollect how long it was (not very) since I first accepted my annual bills going into three figures. It was certainly more recent than my (last) spell of serious poverty in the early part of this century.

[swill453]

It's been generally advised, by Martin Lewis and others, that we should all submit meter readings today so we get the correct amount charged to the old and new tariffs, which change overnight tonight.

EON.Next themselves tweeted yesterday advising their customers to do just that.

Unfortunately their systems couldn't handle the load, so what do they do? Blame Martin Lewis!

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1 ... 5374925824 (language warning)

Scott.

[pje16]

cheers Scott will do mine now

[Mike4]

It's getting to the point where I'm wondering about generating my own electricity for my megre needs.

A generator and an inverter, some solar panels set up in the garden and a decent bank of LiFeP04 batteries (like I have on the boat) and I could just tell them to shove their standing charge!

But dammit, I have an electric oven!

[chas49]

It's been generally advised, by Martin Lewis and others, that we should all submit meter readings today so we get the correct amount charged to the old and new tariffs, which change overnight tonight.

EON.Next themselves tweeted yesterday advising their customers to do just that.

Unfortunately their systems couldn't handle the load, so what do they do? Blame Martin Lewis!

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1 ... 5374925824 (language warning)

Scott.

For anyone with Octopus, they are saying please do the readings tomorrow (1st April) or first thing on 2nd April as their prices change on 2nd. So if you do the readings today, you'll be estimated for a couple of days. They also say you can submit the readings backdated in a few days time - as the website is very slow at the moment .... Check the dates for other suppliers.

[mutantpoodle]

re Octopus

or you can send them an email

I did giving meter reads and recvd reply with 3 hours confirming my account updated

I must say that their customer services appear unusually on the ball !!

no connection just a transferred in (avro) customer

[Mike4]

and that 49p is just the electricity
what about the gas

btw Easterns is 36
Shells tariff shows 37.92 - thieves or incompetents?

Indeed, what about the gas?

Much fuss on the wireless device this morning about how leccy prices have gone up but not a peep about gas prices. Do gas prices have a similar cap to leccy? And are they jumping up 50% today too?

Not that I have a dog in that particular fight myself, having oil heating in my hovel.

[pje16]

I only saw the regional comparison for electricity
anyone have the gas one?

[Gersemi]

Indeed, what about the gas?

Much fuss on the wireless device this morning about how leccy prices have gone up but not a peep about gas prices. Do gas prices have a similar cap to leccy? And are they jumping up 50% today too?

Not that I have a dog in that particular fight myself, having oil heating in my hovel.

My gas costs have gone up by 70% (compared to the variable tariff that I got moved onto on 23/03/22 when my fixed rate ended) and the electricity by 40%. So the gas is going up more. However as we are moving towards summer when I use very little gas (like most people I guess) the electricity price rise will be felt first. Next winter, after the next cap adjustment in October, could be very "challenging".

[AF62]

Indeed, what about the gas?

Much fuss on the wireless device this morning about how leccy prices have gone up but not a peep about gas prices. Do gas prices have a similar cap to leccy? And are they jumping up 50% today too?

Not that I have a dog in that particular fight myself, having oil heating in my hovel.

My gas costs have gone up by 70% (compared to the variable tariff that I got moved onto on 23/03/22 when my fixed rate ended) and the electricity by 40%. So the gas is going up more. However as we are moving towards summer when I use very little gas (like most people I guess) the electricity price rise will be felt first. Next winter, after the next cap adjustment in October, could be very "challenging".

My gas prices have risen from 2.5853p/kWh and 19.95p daily standing charge with the (unsustainable) Zog in December, to 7.34p/kWh and 27.22p daily standing charge with Octopus - so effectively around a 160% increase in annual cost.

Electricity - I had an interesting email from Octopus a couple of days ago, so am holding my breath on that one, but if that doesn't come off (which I hope it does), then costs would increase around 130%.

And that is before the expected 50% increase again in October - it is going to be a *very* difficult time for many people.

[NotSure]

And that is before the expected 50% increase again in October - it is going to be a *very* difficult time for many people.

A 'First World' lifestyle is very expensive. We have long mitigated this by spreading the costs of things like education, health services, police etc. such that those better placed to pay shoulder more of the burden. Is power next? I am not a socialist but I am struggling to see how we can avoid helping some towards provision of basic energy needs without increasingly large chunks of the population 'starving' (energy-wise).

[pje16]

And that is before the expected 50% increase again in October - it is going to be a *very* difficult time for many people.

A 'First World' lifestyle is very expensive. We have long mitigated this by spreading the costs of things like education, health services, police etc. such that those better placed to pay shoulder more of the burden. Is power next? I am not a socialist but I am struggling to see how we can avoid helping some towards provision of basic energy needs without increasingly large chunks of the population 'starving' (energy-wise).

I was talking to mate today and we were symathising over the atrocities in Ukraine
He then said and all we have to worry about are increases in bills
kinda of puts things into perspective

[AF62]

And that is before the expected 50% increase again in October - it is going to be a *very* difficult time for many people.

A 'First World' lifestyle is very expensive. We have long mitigated this by spreading the costs of things like education, health services, police etc. such that those better placed to pay shoulder more of the burden. Is power next? I am not a socialist but I am struggling to see how we can avoid helping some towards provision of basic energy needs without increasingly large chunks of the population 'starving' (energy-wise).

I think the October rise will lead to some literally starving, with many suffering from insufficient heating, and unfortunately an increase in the numbers of elderly fatalities from the cold.

And all made worse because those impacted are made up of a large part by people in old and poorly insulated properties, including the elderly in their ‘asset rich’ family properties they have lived in for years, but ‘cash poor’ to pay the bills to heat it.

It is inconceivable how low income households will cope with the massive increase in energy costs, at the same time all the other items are increasing. Unfortunately I can foresee some ‘kicking the ball into the long grass’ by the government until next winter, with the opposition putting forward the usual un-costed ‘solutions’.

I was talking to mate today and we were symathising over the atrocities in Ukraine
He then said and all we have to worry about are increases in bills kinda of puts things into perspective

Completely agree.

£1,000 on an energy bill vs having your home destroyed and your friends and family murdered by a genocidal maniac, no comparison because the second is utterly beyond comprehension.

[scotview]

with many suffering from insufficient heating,

I don't wish to come across as uncaring but there is another side to this equation. Rachel Reeves was on the telly demanding a windfall tax. Oil & Gas companies are fundamental to the provision of energy supply.

They are not charities, they are businesses like M&S, Glaxo, HBOS etc.

Oil & Gas isn't magicked up, there is huge risk in exploration, appraisal, ,development, production then decommissioning. The Oil Companies take all the business and safety risk. Their tax bill is also not insignificant.

If oil and gas prices go up then that is a market thing, supply & demand as it has always been. Alleviation of energy costs in not the oil companies' responsibility, it is the Government's. The only other path is the rocky road of nationalisation. Scary.

Sorry if this comes across as uncaring, it isn't meant to be.