onslow wrote:My point is why diversify into a mining company which will have its dividend up and down like a yo yo ?
Before even asking myself that question, I'll ask myself whether I have good reason to believe that BHP Billiton's dividend will go up and down like a yo yo.
And my answer is "no". I know the theory that mining companies are cyclical and overly exposed to commodity cycles - but I also know the fact that BHP Billiton's cut in 2016 is the only one in the last 20 years (see
its dividend record), and that it is being quickly recovered from. If that's like a yo yo, it's a
very slow one!
When theory appears to conflict with fact, one or other must give way. In this case, the facts of BHP Billiton's dividend record are beyond doubt, so the theory at best needs to be looked at more carefully to see how it actually is compatible with the facts and at worst is just plain wrong! I can see possibilities why it might be compatible with the facts, notably (a) that the company is good at tightening its belt and riding out periods when the commodity 'cycle' is against it and (b) that it's actually dependent on a number of different commodity 'cycles' and only does really badly when several turn strongly against it at the same time, so I'm not saying that the theory is just plain wrong.
But whether the explanation is that a more sophisticated understanding of the theory is needed or that it's plain wrong, the factual evidence is that the 'dividend up and down like a yo yo' issue has not been a major problem for BHP Billiton over the last couple of decades - it's only 'recent event syndrome' about 2016 that suggests to me that it is one. It has for other mining companies that have been in my HYP - Rio Tinto somewhat closer to being major than BHP Billiton but still a very acceptable record overall, Anglo American quite a major one, Lonmin a
really major one that makes me very glad I tinkered it out of my HYP back in 2005!
So I'm not denying that cyclicality
can be a problem with mining companies in HYPs. But the evidence seems to me to say that they shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush.
Gengulphus