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SSE Prelims

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Postby idpickering » May 22nd, 2019, 7:10 am

Headlines

Financial performance in 2018/19 in line with Notification of Close Period Statement on 28 March:

· Final dividend of 68.2 pence, making full-year dividend of 97.5 pence, in line with five-year dividend plan.

· Headline results reflect £284.9m adjusted operating loss previously forecast in Energy Portfolio Management (EPM):

o Adjusted earnings per share* of 67.1 pence, down 32%; and

o Adjusted profit before tax* of £725.7m, down 38%.

· Reported results reflect the EPM loss and the impact of £1,096.9m exceptional gains and fair value uplift from asset sales:

o Reported earnings per share* of 135.2 pence, up 110%; and
o Reported earnings per share* of 135.2 pence, up 110%; and

o Reported profit before tax* of £1,370.6m, up 59%.

· Adjusted EBITDA# total for the core businesses of Electricity Networks and Renewables was over £1.5bn, 83% of SSE Group* total.

· Value creating disposals in the year delivered:

o over £1bn of cash proceeds;

o £608.4m of exceptional gains on sale; and

o £488.5m of exceptional unrealised fair value uplift (reflecting revaluation of retained stakes).

· Investment and capital expenditure of £1.42bn includes over £1bn investment in regulated electricity networks and renewable energy but excludes £195m investment in assets subsequently divested in the year.

· Adjusted net debt and hybrid capital of £9.39bn.

· Total GDP contribution to UK economy of £8.9bn and to Irish economy of €689m as a result of direct and supply chain activities. This supported an estimated 105,000 jobs across both countries.



Ex div 25 Jul 19, paid 20 Sep 19,

https://www.investegate.co.uk/sse-plc-- ... 00057730Z/

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby Julian » May 22nd, 2019, 8:49 am

Also from that same report...

In line with this and reflecting the underlying quality and value of its assets and earnings, the cash flows they deliver and the value that can be created from them, SSE's plan for the dividend for the five years to 2023 is as set out in May 2018:

o For 2018/19, SSE is recommending a full-year dividend of 97.5 pence per share with the final dividend related to this of 68.2 pence per share.

o For 2019/20, SSE intends to recommend a full-year dividend for 2019/20 of 80 pence per share. This provides a sustainable basis for future dividend growth and will not be affected by the final option selected for the future of SSE Energy Services.

o For 2020/21, 2021/22 and 2022/23 SSE is targeting annual increases in the full-year dividend that at least keep pace with RPI inflation. This reflects SSE's confidence in the quality and value of its assets and earnings and cash flows they deliver.


The bolding in the quote above is SSE's as seen in the report not mine by the way.

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby miner1000 » May 22nd, 2019, 9:07 am

So there is going to be a 20% ish cut to the dividend next year, irrespective of what happens to the retail division.

All very sensible in my view.

I have held SSE for a reasonably long time and I note that the share price is now back down to around where I bought them some 10 years ago. During the period I have held them they have been a HYP stalwart and I have probably gotten a good chunk of my original investment back in income (sorry cant be bothered to work that number out). If the latest announcement doesnt affect the share price too adversely, and if we get some sort of decent final result out of Brexit, there might be an opportunity for the brave to top up this one. I wont be buying any more as I am in "living off the income stage" but I wont be selling unless JC really does look like getting the keys to No.10.
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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby Gengulphus » May 22nd, 2019, 9:08 am

Hmm - taking a more careful look at what the company says about dividends, it includes:

... SSE's plan for the dividend for the five years to 2023 is as set out in May 2018:

o For 2018/19, SSE is recommending a full-year dividend of 97.5 pence per share with the final dividend related to this of 68.2 pence per share.

o For 2019/20, SSE intends to recommend a full-year dividend for 2019/20 of 80 pence per share. This provides a sustainable basis for future dividend growth and will not be affected by the final option selected for the future of SSE Energy Services.

o For 2020/21, 2021/22 and 2022/23 SSE is targeting annual increases in the full-year dividend that at least keep pace with RPI inflation. This reflects SSE's confidence in the quality and value of its assets and earnings and cash flows they deliver.

I've emboldened some words because I didn't remember seeing them before - and on checking the company's 2018 preliminary results, I find that the corresponding passage says:

... SSE's plan for the dividend for the five years to 2023 is as follows:

· For 2018/19, SSE is intending to recommend a full-year dividend of 97.5 pence per share, an increase of 3% on 2017/18, which is broadly in line with expectations for RPI inflation. This provides clarity in a year of transition and is not subject to the timing of either the SSE Energy Services transaction or the Domestic Gas and Electricity (Tariff Cap Bill).

· For 2019/20, SSE is planning to set the first post-transaction dividend at 80.0 pence per share, which reflects the impact of the changes in the SSE group expected to take effect by then. This provides a sustainable basis for future dividend growth.

· For 2020/21, 2021/22 and 2022/23 SSE is targeting annual increases in the full-year dividend that at least keep pace with RPI inflation. This reflects SSE's confidence in the quality and value of its assets and earnings and cash flows they deliver.

I think saying that the plan is "as set out in May 2018" is stretching the English language a bit too far - saying that the 2018/19 dividend will not be affected by the timing of the demerger they were then intending is not the same thing as saying that the 2019/2020 dividend will not be affected by their choice of what to do instead with SSE Energy Services. It's fair enough that their plan should have been modified in the light of subsequent developments (even when as in this case those subsequent developments were at least partly their own choices), but they should be upfront about the modifications and not pretend that the plan is unchanged. I.e. the wording ought at least to include some phrase such as "as modified to take account of our changed intentions with regard to SSE Energy Services"...

As regards what they are doing and planning to do with SSE Energy Services, some quotes from these results that strike me as relevant and interesting:

Important note: SSE Energy Services

At 31 March 2019, SSE has assessed that it is highly probable that SSE Energy Services will be disposed and has presented the assets and liabilities of that business as held for disposal and the business activity as discontinued (see note 4.2. (i) of the Summary Financial Statements). 'Held for disposal', as presented throughout this statement may be either 'held for sale' or 'held for distribution' as defined by IFRS 5. Therefore, the results of SSE Energy Services have been excluded from the profit and loss metrics. As the Group continues to fund SSE Energy Services, and will do so until completion of the transaction, the capital expenditure and debt related metrics presented include the activity of that business.

The principles of focus, specialisation and innovation have also been applied to SSE's considerations around the future of SSE Energy Services. In line with this, Katie Bickerstaffe has been appointed Executive Chair of the business, with a mandate to deliver a new future for it outside of the SSE group in the form of a listing or new, alternative ownership by the second half of 2020. She will take up the new role on 23 June 2019 alongside Gordon Boyd, who joins as Interim Chief Financial Officer, and will work closely with joint Managing Directors Stephen Forbes and Tony Keeling in the delivery of their strategy. Further progress has been made on the structural separation of this business from the group, and the creation of a new, dedicated SSE Energy Services Board and Executive Committee will enable it to operate with further autonomy and become more agile and responsive to customer needs.

This emphasises that SSE's focus is on core businesses of renewable energy and regulated networks, as do the active steps we are taking to prepare for the disposal of our investments in gas production.

Reported Operating Profit /(Loss) by Segment    Mar 19   Mar 18   Mar 17
£m £m £m

...
Held for disposal
SSE Energy Services- Energy Supply 29.7 203.5 171.7
SSE Energy Services - Energy related services 5.6 18.3 5.5
Total SSE Energy Services 35.3 221.8 177.2

SSE Energy Services - Energy Supply (households in GB): adjusted operating profit fell to £84.0m from £260.4m, mainly due to the decision to shield customers from wholesale price increases during 2018, together with the impact of the Default Tariff Cap between January and March 2019 and lower customer numbers, partially offset by the expiry of a Power Purchase Agreement (PPA).

The reported operating profit was £29.7m, compared to £203.5m, due to the reasons outlined above, in addition to current year impairments of IT systems totalling £54.3m versus exceptional impairment charges of £56.9m in the prior year.

SSE Energy Services - Energy-related Services: adjusted and reported operating profit fell to £5.6m compared to £18.3m, mainly due to reduced profits in metering and retail telecoms.

In addition to the above, SSE Energy Services recognised exceptional charges of £54.3m in relation to discontinued marketing and customer data management software assets.

· SSE Energy Services investment of £103m mainly relates to infrastructure to support SSE Energy Services' regulatory obligation to install smart meters for its energy supply customers as part of the UK's Smart Metering rollout. At 31 March 2019, SSE had well over one million smart meters on supply in customers' homes. Post installation, SSE's meters transfer to a contracted Meter Asset Provider and SSE's investment and capital expenditure excludes the capital cost of installation and meter assets.

SSE Energy Services (Held for disposal)

Creating a more independent energy and services business in GB


SSE Energy Services, comprising SSE's domestic energy supply and energy-related services businesses in Great Britain, is the third-largest supplier in the GB energy market. Since it stepped away from a planned merger with npower in December 2018, SSE has been actively progressing a range of options for the future of SSE Energy Services, including a possible sale, alternative transaction or standalone listing. In these considerations, the interests of customers, employees and shareholders have been paramount. Although SSE Energy Services remains a separate entity within the group for the immediate future, SSE is still of the view that the best long-term future for the business lies outside of the SSE group and is therefore continuing with steps to increase its autonomy and independence.

To that end, SSE has appointed Katie Bickerstaffe as Executive Chair of the SSE Energy Services business. Katie will take up the new role on 23 June 2019, alongside Gordon Boyd, who joins as Interim Chief Financial Officer, with a mandate to deliver a new future for it outside the SSE group and continue progress towards a listing or new, alternative ownership by the second half of 2020. She will form a new, dedicated SSE Energy Services Board, which is expected to have both executive and non-executive representation from the SSE Group, as well as an independent non-executive director. The business will therefore be able to operate with greater day-to-day autonomy and independence, while still being subject to oversight by the SSE plc Board while it remains within the group.

... [lots more about what they're doing with SSE Energy Services omitted]...

To my eyes, this all comes across as "SSE Energy Services has become unprofitable (and not stated but IMHO obvious in the political context) highly risky, so we're getting rid of it. It has been making a significant contribution to the dividend, and we're funding that contribution from reserves for this year to avoid reneging on what we've previously told shareholders to expect, but after this final dividend, that contribution is gone. Shareholders might get some compensation for that loss in the form of shares in a separately-listed SSE Energy Services, or of an improvement to SSE's financial position made by sale proceeds - but don't expect much! And we're steering the remainder of the company into the less risky waters of renewable energy and regulated networks."

I would add that while I reckon renewable energy and regulated networks are less politically risky than energy retail, I'm not at all clear how much less risky, especially in the case of regulated networks.

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby Dod101 » May 22nd, 2019, 9:18 am

I agree with Gengulphus and nothing in today's announcement makes me sorry I disposed of my SSE at the end of last year. The political risk is still very much there as is the high debt and the dividend cut, as G says, is now irrespective of whether they sell the retail bit or not.

O dear!

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby idpickering » May 22nd, 2019, 11:49 am

I've gobbed off enough about this recently, but I can confirm that as of five minutes ago I sold out of SSE and bought into Smith DS (SMDS) with the released funds. No regrets from me, and a wave of relief tbh. Now, about Vodafone?.....lol

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby Julian » May 22nd, 2019, 12:41 pm

idpickering wrote:I've gobbed off enough about this recently, but I can confirm that as of five minutes ago I sold out of SSE and bought into Smith DS (SMDS) with the released funds. No regrets from me, and a wave of relief tbh. Now, about Vodafone?.....lol

Ian.

I dumped my SSE on Monday but I forgot to complete the job. I forgot to go and remove SSE from my Investegate alert list so I still got this morning's announcement in my inbox. I have now tied up that loose end and removed SSE (and CNA also dumped on Monday) from the list of shares whose announcements I track on Investegate.

For me, once dumped, I like to cut ties completely but I wonder whether you, with your community spirit evident in posting so many company announcements here, will do likewise or whether you follow shares in the wider HYP-candidate (or previous candidate) universe rather than only the shares that you actually hold. (I'm assuming you do use Investigate to keep track.)

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby idpickering » May 22nd, 2019, 12:47 pm

Julian wrote:I dumped my SSE on Monday but I forgot to complete the job. I forgot to go and remove SSE from my Investegate alert list so I still got this morning's announcement in my inbox. I have now tied up that loose end and removed SSE (and CNA also dumped on Monday) from the list of shares whose announcements I track on Investegate.

For me, once dumped, I like to cut ties completely but I wonder whether you, with your community spirit evident in posting so many company announcements here, will do likewise or whether you follow shares in the wider HYP-candidate (or previous candidate) universe rather than only the shares that you actually hold. (I'm assuming you do use Investigate to keep track.)

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Hi Julian, thanks for your post, and kind words. Yes I do use investigate for that purpose, but like to keep an eye on those I've dumped in the past, I might learn something for instance, about that share, or about me, and my attitude towards it. Maybe I cocked up in selling? I don't mind putting up the results for shares I don't hold, such as MKS and RMG this morning for instance.

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby Wizard » September 25th, 2019, 1:22 pm

I see SSE's share price has been having a reasonable run in the last few months to the extent that it is now at or close to a 12 month high. Is anyone aware of anything specjficnthat may be behind the rise over recent months? I ask in particular in the context of the likelihood of a General Election in the near future and the risk a new Govt. may decide nationalise SSE.

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby onthemove » September 25th, 2019, 2:15 pm

Wizard wrote:I see SSE's share price has been having a reasonable run in the last few months to the extent that it is now at or close to a 12 month high. Is anyone aware of anything specjficnthat may be behind the rise over recent months? I ask in particular in the context of the likelihood of a General Election in the near future and the risk a new Govt. may decide nationalise SSE.


I haven't looked at the details, but they do seem to be trying to exit the consumer side, which is probably the most at risk of theft from Corbyn / McDonnell.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49686218

I suspect also there may perhaps be a small perceived reduction in the likelihood of a Corbyn win in a general election - Labour seem to be coming up with more and more extreme socialist policies, which is now likely to lose more votes than it gains... coupled with a clear unambiguous remain stance from the LibDems, with Corbyn still sitting on the fence, has managed, in one opinion poll at least, to have moved the libdems into second place, pushing labour into third. Not a given by a long shot, but it perhaps does lessen (slightly) the risk of Labour's extreme confiscation policies becoming reality (famous last words!)

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby PinkDalek » September 25th, 2019, 2:31 pm

onthemove wrote:
Wizard wrote:I see SSE's share price has been having a reasonable run in the last few months to the extent that it is now at or close to a 12 month high. Is anyone aware of anything specjficnthat may be behind the rise over recent months? I ask in particular in the context of the likelihood of a General Election in the near future and the risk a new Govt. may decide nationalise SSE.


I haven't looked at the details, but they do seem to be trying to exit the consumer side ...


Further discussion of the OVO deal is at:

Company Share news (LSE Main Market)
SSE (SSE)

viewtopic.php?p=252551#p252551

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby Wizard » February 24th, 2020, 8:44 am

Since 22nd May last year when SSE closed at 1008, the lowest price they have been at for 10 years, they have delivered a dividend cut. But they have also delivered a spectacular recovery in share price / capital, closing last week at 1686 which is within 10p of a ten year high (the only day they appear to have closed higher was on 19th May 2015 at 1696). This means their dividend yield is at the lowest point it has been for that ten year period, as with the slow growth in their dividend even in 2015 they paid 88.4p, so considerably more than the go forward cut level of 80p. I make the forward yield at 80p and 1686p about 4.75%.

So I now can't help but wonder if SSE is the best place to have my money. Are any others thinking along similar lines?

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby Dod101 » February 24th, 2020, 8:57 am

Are you thinking of buying or selling? As a buy, the yield is just about acceptable but why wait until the price is at about its highest for 10 years? Having got rid of the retail side the company is now much more attractive but its finances are still not brilliant and the proceeds from the sale of the retail side are not transformative and in any case are set to trickle in over some years.

Or are you thinking of selling? If I held I would be neutral, like with so many so called HYP shares. If you did sell you also have the problem of where to place the proceeds.

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby seagles » February 24th, 2020, 9:00 am

Wizard wrote:Since 22nd May last year when SSE closed at 1008, the lowest price they have been at for 10 years, they have delivered a dividend cut. But they have also delivered a spectacular recovery in share price / capital, closing last week at 1686 which is within 10p of a ten year high (the only day they appear to have closed higher was on 19th May 2015 at 1696). This means their dividend yield is at the lowest point it has been for that ten year period, as with the slow growth in their dividend even in 2015 they paid 88.4p, so considerably more than the go forward cut level of 80p. I make the forward yield at 80p and 1686p about 4.75%.

So I now can't help but wonder if SSE is the best place to have my money. Are any others thinking along similar lines?


SSE is in line to be sold out of my SIPP (have decided SIPP to be an IT only protfolio). Will keep it in my ISA though. It is well overweight in my HYP both in value terms and in proportion of divi income. Would have sold last week but missed the opportunity. am not around for a while so will review when I get back. Would I buy now? No, the price is high and would wait to see how the divestment goes.

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby Wizard » February 24th, 2020, 9:01 am

I wasn't suggesting waiting until they topped the 19th May 2015 number, I was just using that as a reference as to just how significant the recover in the last nine months has been.

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby kempiejon » February 24th, 2020, 9:15 am

For my HYP I prefer not to sell however, as part of my tax strategy in the last few months of any tax year I short list and look to sell unsheltered holdings that show good capital gains and/or deliver a high yield. My SSE went earlier this month when they topped a limit I had placed. They remain in my HYP in the ISA.

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby tjh290633 » February 24th, 2020, 9:34 am

Wizard, do you hold them already?

If not, why not?

My own holding derives from Hanson Trust, which demerged The Energy Croup, which ran Eastern Electricity. That was soon taken over for cash, so I bought Scottish Power, also to be taken over by Iberdrola for cash. That money went into SSE, where it remains.

I see that over the 17 months that I held Energy, from Feb 1997 to July 1998, it gave me an IRR of 34%.

Scottish Power came in at 530p, topped up in 2001 at 379p and the following year at 371p. Got money back via B-shares in 2006, but put the money released back in the next month at 566p and were taken over in 2007 at 770p. My IRR was 11%. I see that the recipient of the cash was DS Smith at that time.

SSE came in 2010, out of the proceeds of selling Yule Catto. I paid 1122p and the starting yield was 6.7%. Added to on 4 occasions, at 1425p in 2014, 1434p in 2015, 1430p in 2017 and at 1058p in 2018. The IRR has been 10% and, until the recent disposal of the retail arm, the dividend increased annually, from 75p to 97.5p.

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby monabri » February 24th, 2020, 10:43 am

It just goes to show how market sentiment can move on a share.

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby Wizard » February 25th, 2020, 7:58 am

tjh290633 wrote:Wizard, do you hold them already?

If not, why not?

My own holding derives from Hanson Trust, which demerged The Energy Croup, which ran Eastern Electricity. That was soon taken over for cash, so I bought Scottish Power, also to be taken over by Iberdrola for cash. That money went into SSE, where it remains.

I see that over the 17 months that I held Energy, from Feb 1997 to July 1998, it gave me an IRR of 34%.

Scottish Power came in at 530p, topped up in 2001 at 379p and the following year at 371p. Got money back via B-shares in 2006, but put the money released back in the next month at 566p and were taken over in 2007 at 770p. My IRR was 11%. I see that the recipient of the cash was DS Smith at that time.

SSE came in 2010, out of the proceeds of selling Yule Catto. I paid 1122p and the starting yield was 6.7%. Added to on 4 occasions, at 1425p in 2014, 1434p in 2015, 1430p in 2017 and at 1058p in 2018. The IRR has been 10% and, until the recent disposal of the retail arm, the dividend increased annually, from 75p to 97.5p.

TJH

Yes, I hold. In the same way that some decided to sell when there were concerns about SSE a while back, I am now beginning to wonder if it has risen so far I should think about cutting back or even switching it all to another home.

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Re: SSE Prelims

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Postby moorfield » February 25th, 2020, 8:12 am

Wizard wrote:Yes, I hold. In the same way that some decided to sell when there were concerns about SSE a while back, I am now beginning to wonder if it has risen so far I should think about cutting back or even switching it all to another home.


Why would you sell? - it's still yielding higher than FTSE100. And more importantly, what would you then buy that yields more to sustain your overall portfolio income?

You are picking up some bad habits from the "news" posted here Terry. ;) Stop it.


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