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#265646

Postby jackdaww » November 20th, 2019, 7:10 am

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Unusual I know to move a post TO HYP-Practical. But this selesction from the Biscuit Bar seems to live here
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tjh290633 wrote:
Alaric wrote:
tjh290633 wrote:Alaric, I think you miss the point that companies often fall out of favour with the market and then come back into favour


Do not ignore the selection criterion which specifies a high and rising dividend.

TJH


does anyone have a list of stocks currently meeting these criteria please ?

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#265689

Postby kempiejon » November 20th, 2019, 9:25 am

jackdaww wrote:does anyone have a list of stocks currently meeting these criteria please ?

:?:


Phoenix, Legal and General, both the baccy shares, WPP, BHP, ITV, TUI (mind the withholding taxes though) British Land and Land securities, Lloyds, National Grid, Carnival, Intercontinental Consolidated Airlines and United Utilities in the FTSE100 down to 4.7% yield.
For the smaller index NewRiver REIT, Crest Nicholson Holdings, Hammerson, Micro Focus International (though queered by some specials and consolidation), Hastings Group, Wood Group, Direct Line, Card Factory, Marston's, Investec, Foresight Solar, NextEnergy Solar. Babcock International. In fact that's down to 5.5% yield in the 250 and there are about 20 more to complete the list to 4.7% yield.

I think they all have at least 4 years rising and forecast to increase or hold next year, except those where I highlighted consolidation, some have gold plated history of 10 years inflation beating some just 4 of modest rises. There are a couple of clangers and I have not checked other metrics though I do know a few of them from previous filters and there's a few names for me to look at more deeply for like New River, Babcock, investec and the solar chaps. As we've seen on other boards insurers are getting a good look in for potential HYPables currently.

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#265724

Postby tjh290633 » November 20th, 2019, 10:59 am

jackdaww wrote:does anyone have a list of stocks currently meeting these criteria please ?

It's easier to list those that haven't in my portfolio. The problem is special dividends and currency fluctuation, which affects the annual totals, and of course we are still in the reporting season, so not all results for 2019 are yet available.

For company years ending in 2018, I have BT.A, Compass (special dividend in 2017), National Grid (Special Dividend in 2017), DS Smith and William Hill.

Of those reporting so far, for 2019 I have BHP (Special Dividend in 2018), Marks & Spencer, South32, Vodafone and William Hill who have all reduced their dividends.

This is my portfolio ranked by current (historical) yields:

Rank   EPIC   Yield 
1 IMB 11.64%
2 TW. 10.72%
3 BT.A 8.10%
4 RIO 7.33%
5 AV. 7.23%
6 BATS 7.03%
7 RDSB 6.49%
8 BP. 6.40%
9 ADM 6.25%
10 BHP 6.18%
11 SSE 6.08%
12 LGEN 6.00%
13 MKS 5.91%
14 MARS 5.91%
15 BLND 5.57%
16 LLOY 5.48%
17 NG. 5.32%
18 S32 5.28%
19 KGF 5.18%
20 VOD 4.96%
21 UU. 4.76%
22 GSK 4.66%
23 WMH 4.52%
24 SMDS 4.27%
25 TATE 4.22%
26 BA. 3.91%
27 IMI 3.66%
28 ULVR 3.11%
29 AZN 2.99%
30 RB. 2.92%
31 TSCO 2.87%
32 PSON 2.85%
33 SGRO 2.25%
34 DGE 2.20%
35 CPG 1.90%

I have ignored currency effects, by the way.

TJH

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#265756

Postby jackdaww » November 20th, 2019, 12:12 pm

tjh290633 wrote:
jackdaww wrote:does anyone have a list of stocks currently meeting these criteria please ?

It's easier to list those that haven't in my portfolio. The problem is special dividends and currency fluctuation, which affects the annual totals, and of course we are still in the reporting season, so not all results for 2019 are yet available.

For company years ending in 2018, I have BT.A, Compass (special dividend in 2017), National Grid (Special Dividend in 2017), DS Smith and William Hill.

Of those reporting so far, for 2019 I have BHP (Special Dividend in 2018), Marks & Spencer, South32, Vodafone and William Hill who have all reduced their dividends.

This is my portfolio ranked by current (historical) yields:

Rank   EPIC   Yield 
1 IMB 11.64%
2 TW. 10.72%
3 BT.A 8.10%
4 RIO 7.33%
5 AV. 7.23%
6 BATS 7.03%
7 RDSB 6.49%
8 BP. 6.40%
9 ADM 6.25%
10 BHP 6.18%
11 SSE 6.08%
12 LGEN 6.00%
13 MKS 5.91%
14 MARS 5.91%
15 BLND 5.57%
16 LLOY 5.48%
17 NG. 5.32%
18 S32 5.28%
19 KGF 5.18%
20 VOD 4.96%
21 UU. 4.76%
22 GSK 4.66%
23 WMH 4.52%
24 SMDS 4.27%
25 TATE 4.22%
26 BA. 3.91%
27 IMI 3.66%
28 ULVR 3.11%
29 AZN 2.99%
30 RB. 2.92%
31 TSCO 2.87%
32 PSON 2.85%
33 SGRO 2.25%
34 DGE 2.20%
35 CPG 1.90%

I have ignored currency effects, by the way.

TJH


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does glaxo have a rising dividend ??

:?

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Re: HYP stock selection

#265784

Postby PinkDalek » November 20th, 2019, 1:50 pm

jackdaww wrote:
does glaxo have a rising dividend ??

:?


There’s no real need to repeat entire posts when replying but do you not know the answer?

Edit: Isn’t the selection criteria on acquisition or top up generally?

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Re: HYP stock selection

#266246

Postby Gengulphus » November 22nd, 2019, 11:25 am

tjh290633 wrote:
jackdaww wrote:does anyone have a list of stocks currently meeting these criteria please ?

It's easier to list those that haven't in my portfolio. The problem is special dividends and currency fluctuation, which affects the annual totals, and of course we are still in the reporting season, so not all results for 2019 are yet available.

I don't see much of a problem with currency fluctuations - just use the dividend amounts declared by the directors, in whatever currency they choose to use for their primary declarations of dividends. There would be a problem if the directors of a company took to manufacturing higher-than-really-justified percentage increases by (un)suitably choosing their dividend declaration currency each time, but dividend declaration currency changes are far too few and far-between for that to plausibly be happening.

I don't see all that much of a problem with special dividends either - basically, they're usually either accompanied by a share consolidation, or they're not and intended as genuine one-offs, or they're not and intended as parts of the company's regular dividend policy. Other than for tax purposes, treat one accompanied by a share consolidation as a compulsory purchase by the company of the shares lost to the consolidation for the amount of cash received as a result of the special dividend, assuming that's not too far off the market value of those lost shares at the time (it almost always is, but do check!). Treat the genuine one-offs as unexpected nice surprises, that no sensible shareholder would even expect to be repeated the next year, let alone grown, and so to be excluded when looking at the company's dividend growth record. Treat the ones intended to form parts of the company's regular dividend policy as ordinary dividends in all but name, and so to be included when looking at the company's dividend growth record - I tend to call them "not-so-specials" as a brief reminder of this ordinaries-in-all-but-name status.

It can be unclear which of the last two cases applies, of course - i.e. whether a special is intended to be part of the company's regular dividend policy or as a one-off. In that case, if a bit of poking around annual reports and RNSes doesn't clarify the intention, I would err on the conservative side and treat as a one-off to be excluded from the company's dividend growth record.

As regards being in a reporting season, we're more often in one than not! In particular, HYP companies with financial year ends of December 31st (the most common), March 31st (second most common), June 30th (e.g. BHP Group) and September 30th (e.g. Imperial Brands) all exist, and there's a scattering of others - e.g. Greene King's was around the end of April or start of May, the exact date jittering a bit from year to year because it used 52-week financial 'years' with an occasional one extended to 53 weeks to counteract the day-or-two drift per year through the calendar that would otherwise occur. With interim results tending to take a month or two to come out and finals two or three months, most if not all of the year is reporting season for at least a few companies!

I wouldn't personally regard having all the results in for a particular year number as especially important, because (for instance) BT's financial year ending March 31st, 2019 overlaps considerably more (9 months) with HSBC's financial year ending December 31st, 2018 (9 months overlap) than with HSBC's financial year ending December 31st, 2019 (3 months overlap). Because of the preponderance of December 31st and March 31st end dates of financial years, the time of year when one has the most generally up-to-date really detailed (*) information about a HYP's companies is probably (**) sometime in July, when the annual reports of all companies with December 31st year ends and all or nearly all of those with March 31st year ends are out - and those companies will be split as regards the year number they're up to! On the same measure, the time of year with the least generally up-to-date information is probably sometime in February, before at least the vast majority of companies with December 31st year ends have got their annual reports out. We're currently a bit over halfway from July to February, so we're probably just a bit worse off than average over the year by that measure.

(*) I.e. the level of detail in an annual report, which is generally quite a lot higher than in results announcements or interim reports.

(*) But only probably, since there's enough room for statistical variations that a HYP might have a sufficiently atypical distribution of year ends to change this.

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Re: HYP stock selection

#266296

Postby Gengulphus » November 22nd, 2019, 2:20 pm

jackdaww wrote:does glaxo have a rising dividend ??

:?

Its total dividend for the year ended 31 December 2017 was 80p, comprised of three interims of 19p and a final of 23p. Its total dividend for the year ended 31 December 2018 was exactly the same. Its dividends for the year ending 31 December 2019 are three interims of 19p declared so far, with just the final to come, and the announcement of the third of those interims in its 3rd quarter results says "GSK expects to maintain the dividend for 2019 at the current level of 80p per share." I can hardly think of a clearer example of a dividend currently being held and intended to be held, so I'm afraid that the only thing I find confusing is why on earth you've used a "Confused" emoticon!

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Re: HYP stock selection

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Postby Alaric » November 22nd, 2019, 2:42 pm

Gengulphus wrote:Its total dividend for the year ended 31 December 2017 was 80p, comprised of three interims of 19p and a final of 23p. Its total dividend for the year ended 31 December 2018 was exactly the same.


It's been 80p for several years. Very Pref Share like.
https://www.dividenddata.co.uk/dividend ... y?epic=GSK

Dividend yield is around the same as the FTSE 100 Index of which it is a sizeable component, fluctuating up and down in the opposite direction to the share price. If anything, the share price appears to be heading marginally upwards over time from which it might be inferred that the market believes the current dividend rates hold something back.

It got through 2007-2008 without a dividend cut.

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Re: HYP stock selection

#266322

Postby jackdaww » November 22nd, 2019, 3:47 pm

to (i hope) clarify

i know there are plenty of stocks with high yields - its the rising dividends criteria that may narrow down the candidates .

so i was puzzled glaxo was even mentioned - but i'm not being critical of information offered .

reference earlier posts --

Do not ignore the selection criterion which specifies a high and rising dividend.

does anyone have a list of stocks currently meeting these criteria please ?

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Re: HYP stock selection

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Postby Gengulphus » November 22nd, 2019, 4:51 pm

Alaric wrote:
Gengulphus wrote:Its total dividend for the year ended 31 December 2017 was 80p, comprised of three interims of 19p and a final of 23p. Its total dividend for the year ended 31 December 2018 was exactly the same.

It's been 80p for several years. Very Pref Share like.
https://www.dividenddata.co.uk/dividend ... y?epic=GSK

Yes, I know that, at least as long as one excludes the one-off specials (which I do, but not every HYPer does). But you asked "does glaxo have a rising dividend ??" and not "did glaxo have a rising dividend ??", so I just looked at the figures that are relevant to whether it currently has a rising dividend, bearing in mind the fact that such a question could be about its last total dividend for the year 2018 or about the more recently-declared interims. Avoided a lot of complications and thus excessive length in my reply!

I'd suggest that you revise your question to ask about whatever it is that you were confused about. As a suggestion, I think the question that is most relevant to the post of tjh290633's you were replying to is "did Glaxo have a rising dividend when you (tjh290633) bought it for your HYP?" That is of course a question only he can answer...

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Re: HYP stock selection

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Postby Alaric » November 22nd, 2019, 4:56 pm

Gengulphus wrote:I'd suggest that you revise your question to ask about whatever it is that you were confused about.


Not my question or stock selection criterion, it was jackaww's.

It's easily enough answered via the dividenddata site.

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Re: HYP stock selection

#266397

Postby Gengulphus » November 22nd, 2019, 8:04 pm

Alaric wrote:
Gengulphus wrote:I'd suggest that you revise your question to ask about whatever it is that you were confused about.

Not my question or stock selection criterion, it was jackaww's.

Quite right - my apologies about that. Please treat all occurrences of "you", "your", etc, in that last post of mine as referring to jackdaww. My basic explanation about only having said anything about Glaxo's dividends as far back as 2017 because that was all that was needed to answer his question remains.

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