Suggestion - Add an FAQ (most likely the Fool UK one)

[Arborbridge]

It was predictable the HYP/PYAD/DORIS group will want THEIR boards transplanted to lemonfool , perpetuating THEIR rules , facilitating anonymous post deletion by complicit moderaters, with the OFF TOPIC pretex , and conveniently EXCLUDING dissidents by directing them to their HYP strategies board .

I very much hope LEMONFOOL boards will be better than that .

Frankly, I do not see what the problem is with that first scenario. The HYP board can stay as a HYP practical board, and all other matters have free range on the HYSS board. The best of both worlds. I really cannot see why Lemon Fool would be "better" for allowing unfettered debate on a specialist board. In my view it would be considerably worse.

We need the old FAQs re-instating on the HYP Practical board, ASAP and strict moderation, to prevent a cluttered, free-for- all with the same ole 100 post threads going round in circles. Why does that help anybody? Keep it on HYSS, for goodness sake - that's why it was done that way and it worked. Don't reinvent the wheel.

Arb.

[88V8]

I'm sure it's possible to move threads. It happens frequently on a couple of PPH car forums I frequent, and it does not cause fisticuffs. Perhaps car enthusiasts are more mature :}

Someone somewhere commented that the intention of the Boards can be summed up in a couple of sentences. Well, heaven help anyone who has to mod against such a skimpy template.

I am not a strict pyadic, and sometimes used to get deleted. Nevertheless I would like the previous FAQ to be reinstated.
Otherwise the Practical Board will be back where it was before - circular arguments about which method is best, everyone transmitting and no one receiving.

Straplines?? :
Practical - the daily nuts & bolts of a predominantly pyadic HYP.
Strategies - non-pyadic HYP methods, and other types of High Yield portfolio.

V8

[Arborbridge]

V8

Nevertheless I would like the previous FAQ to be reinstated.
Otherwise the Practical Board will be back where it was before - circular arguments about which method is best, everyone transmitting and no one receiving.

Have a recc.!

Arb.

[kempiejon]

...everyone transmitting and no one receiving.

Straplines?? :
Practical - the daily nuts & bolts of a predominantly pyadic HYP.
Strategies - non-pyadic HYP methods, and other types of High Yield portfolio.

V8

Indeed. Calls for HYP practical to include a broader church could lead to a break off board, "continuity HYP?"

[Breelander]

...a break off board, "continuity HYP?"

No - not that name, it's already taken. The Continuity HYP1 or CHYP1 for short is the one that was maintained by volunteer Fools while pyad was on 'sabbatical' in 2008. Gengulphus now maintains it as a 1/8th scale real holdings portfolio.

[Gengulphus]

In the old days I confess that I was often slightly conflicted when a moderator stepped in to close a thread. On the one hand I fully accepted that it had drifted off topic (or was never on-topic for the board in the first place), was annoying many other participants, and should be closed. On the other hand I was often disappointed that an interesting, intelligent and civilised discussion had been cut off in its prime. "Take this discussion over to <some-other-board>" never really worked as advice on The Fool because so much history of the discussion was left languishing in the old closed thread and it was very, very rare for the participants to have the energy to go and start all over again elsewhere. This was particularly galling when the closed discussion should clearly have been in High Yield Strategy in the first place and could have flourished there.

Indeed, and even more so when the thread closure killed off the original on-topic discussion as well. It had of course often come to its natural conclusion, or already been strangled to death by the off-topic discussion, but sometimes it was still hanging on when the thread was closed.

With the new forum software will it be possible for a mod to easily move a thread to another board and leave a canned placeholder in the original board to indicate that the thread had been transplanted and give a link to its new location?

Stooz's new "Posting Rules" announcement says "You can submit a request to split a topic, creating two." I have no idea what this means in detail - the words could mean making a complete copy of an existing thread, or moving some of the posts in it into a new thread, or probably other possibilities I haven't thought of. But it does make it clear that there are options in the new forum software to manipulate threads in ways that weren't available to the TMF moderators - just not what those options are.

I have to say though that I'm very doubtful about any solution to such problems that requires people to ask for moderator intervention and wait for it to be forthcoming. That's partly because it will inevitably involve waiting for the intervention to be forthcoming, in what is likely to be a fast-moving discussion, and partly because we have to take care not to over-use volunteer moderator time.

I think the ideal solution would involve some sort of "Post Reply in New Topic" button that people could use as easily as the ordinary "Post Reply" and that put appropriate links in place automatically. But even if that is available (which I somewhat doubt, as I've seen no sign of it), it is probably going to require moderator intervention to deal with problems caused by users who fail to use it when required....

Gengulphus

[Breelander]

Stooz's new "Posting Rules" announcement says "You can submit a request to split a topic, creating two." I have no idea what this means in detail...

It means that on this (as in most other modern bulletin boards) topics and individual posts can be moved at will, either to another more appropriate board or split up and rearranged on the current one. Should a thread (as often happened in 'the other place') start to develop into two unrelated conversations it is possible to take the post that started the split, promote it to the first post of a new topic, then move all the relevant replies over to the newly created thread. A feature sadly lacking in the decades old software we used before.

Bree. (who helps run a small club forum based on BBPress)

[Gengulphus]

I am not a strict pyadic, and sometimes used to get deleted. Nevertheless I would like the previous FAQ to be reinstated.
Otherwise the Practical Board will be back where it was before - circular arguments about which method is best, everyone transmitting and no one receiving.

Straplines?? :
Practical - the daily nuts & bolts of a predominantly pyadic HYP.
Strategies - non-pyadic HYP methods, and other types of High Yield portfolio.

Ugh! Surely a strapline is supposed to inform newcomers what the board is about, not confuse them with non-dictionary words like "pyadic"?

And I'm not at all sure that even existing board users will agree on what is and isn't a "pyadic" strategy, let alone how the answer is altered for a "predominantly pyadic" strategy... What chance does a newcomer have?

Whatever we come up with, we need to describe it as straightforwardly as possible, keeping jargon to a minimum. Use of "HYP" is unavoidable, I think, but I don't think we need anything else.

If I were writing straplines for the TMF boards along those lines, they would be:

High Yield - HYP Practical
the daily nuts & bolts of running a HYP

High Yield - Share Strategies
anything about any high-yield share strategy

Gengulphus

[Deev8]

If I were writing straplines for the TMF boards along those lines, they would be:

High Yield - HYP Practical
the daily nuts & bolts of running a HYP

High Yield - Share Strategies
anything about any high-yield share strategy

Excellent straplines, except I believe it would be:
High Yield - Strategies
anything about any high-yield strategy

In other words the second strapline wouldn't include the word "share".

Dave

[jackdaww]

I am not a strict pyadic, and sometimes used to get deleted. Nevertheless I would like the previous FAQ to be reinstated.
Otherwise the Practical Board will be back where it was before - circular arguments about which method is best, everyone transmitting and no one receiving.

Straplines?? :
Practical - the daily nuts & bolts of a predominantly pyadic HYP.
Strategies - non-pyadic HYP methods, and other types of High Yield portfolio.

Ugh! Surely a strapline is supposed to inform newcomers what the board is about, not confuse them with non-dictionary words like "pyadic"?

If I were writing straplines for the TMF boards along those lines, they would be:

High Yield - HYP Practical
the daily nuts & bolts of running a HYP

High Yield - Share Strategies
anything about any high-yield share strategy

Gengulphus

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This just isnt good enough.

When i came across this HYP practical board some years ago , as a newcomer , i thought it was about a high yield shares portfolio.

Bewildered by many anonymously deleted posts , and some distinctly unwelcoming comments , i very belatedly realised this was a VERY SPECIAL sort of high yield portfolio .

The word "practical" does not convey this speciality nor any other useful meaning.

the strapline "the daily nuts & bolts of running a HYP" does not convey that particlular speciality to a newcomer .

The newcomer will not know that HYP has a special meaning on the HYP practical board .

[88V8]

The newcomer will not know that HYP has a special meaning on the HYP practical board .

True, but until we have thought transference, he/she will have to read the FAQ. That is their purpose.

V8

[Breelander]

until we have thought transference, he/she will have to read the FAQ. That is their purpose.

We'd better get one ASAP, then...

[Gengulphus]

If I were writing straplines for the TMF boards along those lines, they would be:

High Yield - HYP Practical
the daily nuts & bolts of running a HYP

High Yield - Share Strategies
anything about any high-yield share strategy

Excellent straplines, except I believe it would be:
High Yield - Strategies
anything about any high-yield strategy

In other words the second strapline wouldn't include the word "share".

I said (and meant) "for the TMF boards". The TMF board title, topic and topic-defining FAQ do all include the word "share"!

I was deliberately not commenting on whether the TLF forum title should include "share" or "equities". It doesn't at present and I regard that as a bit strange, as it means that the forum overlaps with (at least) the "Property Discussions" and "Gilts and Bonds" forums. But that overlap may be deliberate.

With regard to jackdaww's comment about use of the term "HYP", again I was saying what straplines I would choose for the TMF boards. For them, the term is unavoidable (since it is in one of the board titles) and its definition cannot be fitted into a strapline, so defining it in a FAQ or similar document is the only option.

For these boards, I think we're stuck with the term "HYP" under more-or-less the definition it had on the TMF boards. That definition can probably be usefully tweaked a bit - for example, I think it would be better if it made it clearer that the choice of which dividend safety criteria to use was totally up to the HYPer - but I'm fairly certain we do have a lot of board users who want discussions on HYPs as it defines them and not a significantly broader definition (*). I will also point out that we have 16 years of existing material on HYPs as defined there or under a narrower definition, and at least a significant chunk of it is going to remain available for reference. Do we really want to have to say something like "note that this uses a much narrower definition of HYP than we use today" every time that we refer to that material???

(*) I might be wrong about that, but if so, the only way to convince me of that will be by a poll - so if you think I'm wrong, please just agree to differ until polls are available!

Gengulphus