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UncleEbenezer wrote:servodude wrote:It's a bloody noisy data set.
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Mike4 wrote:I keep imagining the safest way to go to the pub or any high risk place is to take a scuba diver's aqualung with me, and breathe using that.
zico wrote:I thought the most recent guidance for England was "1 metre plus" where if it isn't possible to stay 2 metres away, then you could be just 1 metre away, as long as there were mitigations (the "plus" bit") such as turning your head away from the other person.
Yet today, the PM greeted NHS workers by giving them an elbow bump, so less than 1 metre apart, and was also facing them. Everyone was wearing a mask, so is it now OK to be closer than 1 metre as long as you are wearing a mask? I thought that was the government's original objection to masks (or face-coverings) if you wear one, you're more inclined to think you're invulnerable, and so break the social distancing rules/guidelines.
I've seen football managers giving each other elbow bumps (which also seems dodgy) but at least they are supposed to be in their "team bubbles" and are regularly tested, so risk is likely to be much lower.
I thought I understood the latest rules, but maybe I don't. Has there been another set of "elbow bumps are OK with a mask" guidelines issued that I've missed?
zico wrote:I thought the most recent guidance for England was "1 metre plus" where if it isn't possible to stay 2 metres away, then you could be just 1 metre away, as long as there were mitigations (the "plus" bit") such as turning your head away from the other person.
Yet today, the PM greeted NHS workers by giving them an elbow bump, so less than 1 metre apart, and was also facing them. Everyone was wearing a mask, so is it now OK to be closer than 1 metre as long as you are wearing a mask? I thought that was the government's original objection to masks (or face-coverings) if you wear one, you're more inclined to think you're invulnerable, and so break the social distancing rules/guidelines.
I've seen football managers giving each other elbow bumps (which also seems dodgy) but at least they are supposed to be in their "team bubbles" and are regularly tested, so risk is likely to be much lower.
I thought I understood the latest rules, but maybe I don't. Has there been another set of "elbow bumps are OK with a mask" guidelines issued that I've missed?
Mike4 wrote:Point being is any individual instance of breaching the guidelines is highly unlikely to do any harm in terms of increased community transmission, but if 68 million people all ignore them, then the virus will rip through the population and the NHS will be overwhelmed after all.
UncleEbenezer wrote:So that's what's been happening these last few weeks of relative freedom and a smallish minority in masks.
Alaric wrote:UncleEbenezer wrote:So that's what's been happening these last few weeks of relative freedom and a smallish minority in masks.
For that matter, there's momentary contact in supermarkets and that hasn't triggered a noticeable spread. The chances of meeting someone infected have surely dropped considerably since March or April given that peak of deaths in the April/May period,
Alaric wrote:UncleEbenezer wrote:So that's what's been happening these last few weeks of relative freedom and a smallish minority in masks.
For that matter, there's momentary contact in supermarkets and that hasn't triggered a noticeable spread. The chances of meeting someone infected have surely dropped considerably since March or April given that peak of deaths in the April/May period,
UncleEbenezer wrote:OK, I'm going to stick my neck out with a prediction.
Face coverings will be mandatory from late July.
UncleEbenezer wrote:By the end of August, the decline in Coronavirus will have at best slowed, and maybe reversed.
Bouleversee wrote:Perhaps it will depend on what the youngsters bring back from their holidays in popular resorts in Spain etc. where I am quite sure social distancing will be ignored and I can't see them wearing masks either. They don't here either when they congregate in the evenings or work out during the day but at Ieast here they know what their friends have been doing and see the same friends all the time and there is a bit less danger in hot weather than when it gets cold. I won't be letting my 18 yr old grandson anywhere near me for at least a fortnight after he gets back from holiday in Spain in August.
UncleEbenezer wrote:Reason: you make breathing harder, people will breathe harder. And as an added bonus, restricted breathing weakens the immune system to fight germs.
dealtn wrote:Bouleversee wrote:Perhaps it will depend on what the youngsters bring back from their holidays in popular resorts in Spain etc. where I am quite sure social distancing will be ignored and I can't see them wearing masks either. They don't here either when they congregate in the evenings or work out during the day but at Ieast here they know what their friends have been doing and see the same friends all the time and there is a bit less danger in hot weather than when it gets cold. I won't be letting my 18 yr old grandson anywhere near me for at least a fortnight after he gets back from holiday in Spain in August.
Are you worried about the "Spain" bit, or the "Brits" he will be mixing with? I'm not sure what part of the risk you are concerned about. For instance if he went to a "retreat" in Spain with no mixing would you be happy? If he went to Blackpool say, and not Spain, and mixed would it be alright? I read it that it is the non social-distancing and non-mask wearing that concern you, in which case I'm not sure why holiday, and Spain, are any different to non-holiday and UK if I am honest.
dealtn wrote:Are you worried about the "Spain" bit, or the "Brits" he will be mixing with? I'm not sure what part of the risk you are concerned about. For instance if he went to a "retreat" in Spain with no mixing would you be happy? If he went to Blackpool say, and not Spain, and mixed would it be alright? I read it that it is the non social-distancing and non-mask wearing that concern you, in which case I'm not sure why holiday, and Spain, are any different to non-holiday and UK if I am honest.
scotia wrote:dealtn wrote:Are you worried about the "Spain" bit, or the "Brits" he will be mixing with? I'm not sure what part of the risk you are concerned about. For instance if he went to a "retreat" in Spain with no mixing would you be happy? If he went to Blackpool say, and not Spain, and mixed would it be alright? I read it that it is the non social-distancing and non-mask wearing that concern you, in which case I'm not sure why holiday, and Spain, are any different to non-holiday and UK if I am honest.
The Scottish Government have not removed the quarantine requirement for visitors to Spain. Data received from the UK Government indicates that there are around 330 persons per 100000 in Spain with the virus - compared to 28 in Scotland. So there is a significantly higher higher risk of infection in Spain than in Scotland.
I don't have the numbers for England, but I believe the English infection rate is lower than in Spain - although not as significantly lower as in Scotland.
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