Wuffle wrote:Life is a massive anti climax for the most part ...
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Wuffle wrote:Life is a massive anti climax for the most part ...
Bubblesofearth wrote:Playing devil's advocate....so what?
Why do we have an attachment to what is current? Do we mourn the passing of the dinosaurs? The myriad life-forms that existed before any of the previous mass extinctions? Why should we be so concerned about the current mass extinction or the likelihood that our own species will suffer population collapse at some future date?
Change is inevitable. Why fight it?
BoE
Bubblesofearth wrote:Change is inevitable. Why fight it?
Bubblesofearth wrote:Playing devil's advocate....so what?
Why do we have an attachment to what is current? Do we mourn the passing of the dinosaurs? The myriad life-forms that existed before any of the previous mass extinctions? Why should we be so concerned about the current mass extinction or the likelihood that our own species will suffer population collapse at some future date?
Change is inevitable. Why fight it?
BoE
tjh290633 wrote:What everyone seems to ignore, is that our main source of energy, the sun, is variable and that it's output of energy is cyclical. As a result we swing between warming and cooling periods, hence the "Little ice age" of relatively recent times.
There is debate about the possibility of a new cooling phase beginning soon, which all the warmists confidently assume will never happen. The climate has changed continually over the millennia. It will continue to do so. We cannot control nor can we predict the sun's behaviour, except for what we know about its cyclical behaviour.
Let us not lose sight of that.
TJH
Wuffle wrote:A child and their potential children and so on and all of their potential for consumption is the significant intellectual leap.
I do not have any children and consider myself to be in the clear on this one.
Life is a massive anti climax for the most part and the big parental lie about how 'amazing' it all is once they are through the one way door just looks laughable from the outside.
W.
redsturgeon wrote:Life may not be much but it's all we have!
John
Bminusrob wrote:I got quite grumpy watching the program, because it seems nobody was prepared to talk about the elephant in the room. To my mind, most of the program was about solving the problems of excess human population and populatio growth, without stopping the exponential growth of humans on the planet.
Even if we addressed all the issues which the program raised, in 30 or so years, when the global population of humans has increased by anther 50%, Sir David Attenborough will be back on television at the age of 125, still not talking about the elephant in the room.
vrdiver wrote:Bubblesofearth wrote:Change is inevitable. Why fight it?
So is death. Why bother to see a doctor?
Change is inevitable, but what that change looks like is in some respects up to us. Will we turn the planet into a slightly cooler version of Venus, a runaway heat engine for an atmosphere, or will we "manage" our impact on the atmosphere, on sea levels and on how much space we leave for non-human life? Will we create a minor extinction event, or a major one? Will we create millions of man-years of misery, or billions?
With so much future containing so many possibilities, why not fight for it?
VRD
Bubblesofearth wrote:vrdiver wrote:Bubblesofearth wrote:Change is inevitable. Why fight it?
So is death. Why bother to see a doctor?
Change is inevitable, but what that change looks like is in some respects up to us. Will we turn the planet into a slightly cooler version of Venus, a runaway heat engine for an atmosphere, or will we "manage" our impact on the atmosphere, on sea levels and on how much space we leave for non-human life? Will we create a minor extinction event, or a major one? Will we create millions of man-years of misery, or billions?
With so much future containing so many possibilities, why not fight for it?
VRD
Some interesting hyperbole.
tjh290633 wrote:What everyone seems to ignore, is that our main source of energy, the sun, is variable and that it's output of energy is cyclical. As a result we swing between warming and cooling periods, hence the "Little ice age" of relatively recent times.
There is debate about the possibility of a new cooling phase beginning soon, which all the warmists confidently assume will never happen. The climate has changed continually over the millennia. It will continue to do so. We cannot control nor can we predict the sun's behaviour, except for what we know about its cyclical behaviour.
Let us not lose sight of that.
TJH
scrumpyjack wrote:https://www.livescience.com/58407-how-often-do-ice-ages-happen.html
Over a very long period, making the time that humans have existed a mere blip.
During the age of the dinosaurs the average global temperature was much much warmer than now - mid 30s celsius
We are in an ice age at present!
Mike4 wrote:scrumpyjack wrote:https://www.livescience.com/58407-how-often-do-ice-ages-happen.html
Over a very long period, making the time that humans have existed a mere blip.
During the age of the dinosaurs the average global temperature was much much warmer than now - mid 30s celsius
We are in an ice age at present!
Ok thanks.
So there are big'uns with little'uns superimposed on top. The little'uns have a frequency of about 100,000 years per cycle. This makes TJH's assertion that the current warming is happening as part of the cycle seem a little unlikely, dunnit!
Mike4 wrote:tjh290633 wrote:What everyone seems to ignore, is that our main source of energy, the sun, is variable and that it's output of energy is cyclical. As a result we swing between warming and cooling periods, hence the "Little ice age" of relatively recent times.
There is debate about the possibility of a new cooling phase beginning soon, which all the warmists confidently assume will never happen. The climate has changed continually over the millennia. It will continue to do so. We cannot control nor can we predict the sun's behaviour, except for what we know about its cyclical behaviour.
Let us not lose sight of that.
TJH
So the burning question in my mind is, how long is the cycle?
Bubblesofearth wrote:vrdiver wrote:
But you didn't answer the actual question...
VRD
Which one?
BoE
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