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Is 12pm noon or midnight?

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Re: Is 12pm noon or midnight?

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Postby didds » September 29th, 2020, 3:03 pm

GoSeigen wrote: My conclusion: schools, parents and kids clubs are not doing a good enough job.


generally sepaking you would be right...

But equally I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some while ago now :)

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Re: Is 12pm noon or midnight?

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Postby GoSeigen » May 14th, 2021, 5:20 pm

An appeal court case touched on this topic in January 2019:

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2019/475.html
Analysis
14 I confess that I have not found this an easy case to decide, principally because of the potentially fundamental question: did the relevant cause of action arise at midnight, or just after the midnight deadline expired and therefore during the next day? A claim under such a scheme made literally on the point of midnight (if such a thing could be proved) might arguably be in time. If it is accepted that such a claim accrues after midnight, even by a very short time (described in the hearing before us as a "nanomoment"), then is there a logical reason why it should be distinguished from other categories of claim, some of which will accrue very early in the relevant day?



The Supreme Court will rule on a further appeal next Friday:

https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2019-0080.html

GS

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Re: Is 12pm noon or midnight?

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Postby AleisterCrowley » May 14th, 2021, 6:34 pm

I'm so glad you have reanimated this thread :)

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Re: Is 12pm noon or midnight?

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Postby mark88man » May 14th, 2021, 9:41 pm

so am I, as I had contrived to miss it first time round.

I think I must have put my clock forward and skipped over it

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Re: Is 12pm noon or midnight?

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Postby UncleEbenezer » May 14th, 2021, 11:19 pm

Would this be a solution for Roberto della Griva?

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Re: Is 12pm noon or midnight?

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Postby gryffron » May 15th, 2021, 10:59 am

swill453 wrote:00:00 is unambiguous. I agree saying midnight is ambiguous, this was mentioned upthread.
(24:00 doesn't exist )


Milud. ISO8601 says there is a 0000 at the start of the day, and no 2400 at the end of the day. The first half of the day is am, and the second half is pm. So 12:00am must be midnight, and 12:00pm must be noon. If there is no 2400 then there can be no 12:00 (or midnight) at the end of the day.

tjh290633 wrote:The command is: "We attack at 00:01 on Monday". If you say Midnight or either 00:00 or 24:00 it could be either at the beginning or the end of Monday. 00:01 is unambiguous.

During the Austrian war of succession 1740-8, The British and their German allies used calendars that were 10 days out of sync. The Brits were still on Julian and the Germans had changed to Gregorian. Try co-ordinating that one!

Gryff

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Re: Is 12pm noon or midnight?

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Postby mark88man » May 15th, 2021, 11:28 am

It seems that what is important here is avoiding confusion rather than being technically correct (or one of the many forms of being technically correct), except when the the lawyers are in the room. With reference to standards - the best thing about them is that there are so many to choose from

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Re: Is 12pm noon or midnight?

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Postby XFool » May 15th, 2021, 11:47 am

AleisterCrowley wrote:I'm so glad you have reanimated this thread :)

Know anywhere one can buy wooden stakes? :twisted:

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Re: Is 12pm noon or midnight?

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Postby XFool » May 15th, 2021, 11:53 am

redsturgeon wrote:I am waiting for an online payment that supposedly comes before 12pm, can I expect it this morning?

John

Did you get the payment? What time did you receive it? ;)

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Re: Is 12pm noon or midnight?

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Postby redsturgeon » May 15th, 2021, 11:58 am

XFool wrote:
redsturgeon wrote:I am waiting for an online payment that supposedly comes before 12pm, can I expect it this morning?

John

Did you get the payment? What time did you receive it? ;)


I forget...it was a long time ago! :D

John


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