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The Grand National

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby terminal7 » April 7th, 2021, 7:01 pm

Tomorrow about 11.00 am the final 40 decs will be announced.

The clerk of the course has stated that the course will be watered in order to achieve good or good to soft ground. There is no way any longer that the ground will be allowed to get firm. The potential PR consequences of horses breaking down because of the going with PETA, ALF et al looking in on Channel 4 necessitate that the going has a complete absence of jar.

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In fact just seen the forecast going for the first day of the meeting tomorrow as good to soft

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby terminal7 » April 8th, 2021, 9:14 am

Small shower overnight and going officially good to soft with dry weather expected.

JP McManus owns 7 horses in the top 40 in handicap terms - his decision will largely influence whether Some Neck (42) and the highly fancied Secret Reprieve (43) make the cut. Clearly there could be a tactical play here. This has happened before when Paul Nicholls kept a top weight in at final decs in a top handicap in order that the weights did not rise etc (quite a long story so will leave it there).

All will be revealed in less than 2 hours. My guess is that maybe Willie Mullins and JP will take out a few. :?:

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby terminal7 » April 8th, 2021, 10:45 am

Only 1 taken out. :(

4 reserves left in with Some Neck first reserve then Secret Reprieve second reserve.

In effect, the waiting will continue until Saturday morning.

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby terminal7 » April 8th, 2021, 12:30 pm

In effect, the waiting will continue until Saturday morning.


Correction - it is 13.00 Friday

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby terminal7 » April 9th, 2021, 9:53 am

JP McManus 7 in the race – 3 in top 5 of betting. At least 2 of the others are very doubtful stayers and/or only go on soft or worse. They stand virtually no chance.

Keeping them all in the race keeps particularly Secret Reprieve (and to a much lesser extent Some Neck) out and enhances the chances of his favoured horses.

Gaming the system yet not a peep in the press.

All’s fare in love and ….

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby Beerpig » April 9th, 2021, 11:33 am

Yes, I agree Terminal.
Thing is if any of the press said anything their racing correspondents and thus their readers would be frozen out from the all embracing gods of National Hunt.
It really isn't fair- the rich in racing just get fatter on the best pickings and the rest are under the table picking up crumbs.

With the ground being soft anything over 11 stone is going to struggle.
I've only backed Bristol at 11-10 because my mother in law likes the name.
Still she got 6 winners at Cheltenham so what do I know, hey?

I've had a a 10p ew Heinz on all Brian Hughes mounts at Sedgefield cos the jockey championship is neck and neck and he must surely win a few there.
I've also had a 10p ew Heinz at Aintree on Armello Sky/Third Time Lucky/ Fiddlerontheroof/ Nutshell/Modem and Streets of Doyoun,
I'll listen to the races on the radio when I walk the dogs later.
Good luck all.

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby terminal7 » April 9th, 2021, 1:27 pm

No last minute reprieve - heard further machinations about ensuring Secret Reprieve in particular kept out - all (my) sour grapes and history - as the landlord has noted - cosy relationships of racing journos and top owners/trainers - a thread in itself.

Anyway some good news - anyone out there who invested on Some Neck will get their money back irrespective of whether backed at NRNB or not - because the horse is treated as being balloted out and not as a non runner.

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby terminal7 » April 9th, 2021, 2:10 pm

I've had a a 10p ew Heinz on all Brian Hughes mounts at Sedgefield


First one up!!

Good luck

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby GrahamPlatt » April 9th, 2021, 9:34 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/ ... acing-tips

grand-national-2021-horse-by-horse-guide-to-all-the-runners-horse-racing-tips

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby Howyoudoin » April 10th, 2021, 5:11 pm

Picked out 5 for a small bet:

Sub Lieutenant
Minella Times
Any Second Now
Kimberlite Candy
Anibale Fly

Good luck all,

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby AleisterCrowley » April 10th, 2021, 5:31 pm

I had £5e/w on Discorama, and £5e/w on Minella Times

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby Arborbridge » April 10th, 2021, 5:49 pm

Wow, history is made!!

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby PinkDalek » April 10th, 2021, 5:49 pm

AleisterCrowley wrote:I had £5e/w on Discorama, and £5e/w on Minella Times


Now you tell us. ;)

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby terminal7 » April 10th, 2021, 6:03 pm

I reckon the winner will be
(i) Irish Trained
(ii) Carrying less than 11 stone
(iii) Aged 9-11 (probably 10)


That bit you got right Beerpig!

Well done HYD.

Hmm AC.

First 5 Irish trained. 12 out of 15 finishers Irish trained. Also the virtual clean sweep of Irish runners in the Cheltenham handicaps. Time to re-assess the handicapping of Irish horses running in the UK. Or is it Brexit? Or is it the horse feed?

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby AleisterCrowley » April 10th, 2021, 6:17 pm

PinkDalek wrote:
AleisterCrowley wrote:I had £5e/w on Discorama, and £5e/w on Minella Times


Now you tell us. ;)


I only managed to get my BoyleSports and 888 accounts set up at 5pm - the websites were really slow
I appear to have won something on Discorama too -thought it came approximately last?

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby terminal7 » April 10th, 2021, 6:20 pm

I appear to have won something on Discorama too


Came 7th - so clearly your bookie paying ew on first 7

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby AleisterCrowley » April 10th, 2021, 6:23 pm

yes, just checked - BoyleSports pay to 7th

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby PinkDalek » April 10th, 2021, 6:40 pm

AleisterCrowley wrote:yes, just checked - BoyleSports pay to 7th


That’s good. What do they pay e/w for the places? 1/7th?

Anyone know why Cloth Cap was pulled up 3 out? Maybe was fading but we had a couple of others in the running (3rd & 5th) and the replay failed to say anything much.

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby terminal7 » April 10th, 2021, 6:51 pm

PD

Cloth Cap was soon beaten, however, with rider Tom Scudamore pulling him up before the third-last, with Jett still leading.

"Tom said he was going along grand and then he just started gurgling a little bit and he did the right thing pulling him up," said Cloth Cap's trainer Jonjo O'Neill. "He was having a great run and everything was going grand. We'll get him checked out, but it'll be his wind, I think."


I suspect he did not stay given the fast pace set by Jet - he went out quickly around 3.5 miles.

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Re: The Grand National

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Postby AleisterCrowley » April 10th, 2021, 7:21 pm

PinkDalek wrote:
AleisterCrowley wrote:yes, just checked - BoyleSports pay to 7th


That’s good. What do they pay e/w for the places? 1/7th?

..

Erm...well , £27 back from £5 e/w at 22/1
Go figure!


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