Trump Petition

[Clitheroekid]

This looks like it could be one of the most popular ever petitions - and justifiably, in my opinion - https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

There's also a very interesting map showing which parliamentary constituencies are voting the most and the least - http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.co ... ion=171928

[ThirdWay]

IMO it was foolish of May to offer Trump a state visit this early on.

We know that Trump has serious ego issues and he clearly loves a deal - so why not leave this carrot out of reach for a while?

I have also heard that the man has no long-standing true friends. Apparently he gets what he wants from people then dumps them. Now this was just some comment and I can't verify it. But if it's true, why would you give this man everything he wants?

[Leothebear]

We welcomed the Chinese leader, who presides over thousands of Falun Gong political prisoners being killed for transplant organs each year. Trump has no comparison to that level of evil.

Exactly. Take the moral high ground but only when it's expedient to do so.

[Slarti]

I think Ross Noble has the best idea, Let The Orange One come, but get Liz to wear a burka to mess with his head


Slarti

[gryffron]

why would you give this man everything he wants?

Same reason we toady to the Saudi royals. Naked self interest. For better or worse, Trump is the most powerful man on earth. So keep him happy and he gives us stuff. Result.

gryff

[mswjr]

This looks like it could be one of the most popular ever petitions - and justifiably, in my opinion - https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

It's got a long way to go to match the 17.2 million who petitioned for Brexit.

[ThirdWay]

It's got a long way to go to match the 17.2 million who petitioned for Brexit.

That's probably because a petition and a referendum are entirely different.

[melonfool]

This looks like it could be one of the most popular ever petitions - and justifiably, in my opinion - https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

It's got a long way to go to match the 17.2 million who petitioned for Brexit.

Can you link to that petition?

ta

Mel

[mswjr]

This looks like it could be one of the most popular ever petitions - and justifiably, in my opinion - https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

It's got a long way to go to match the 17.2 million who petitioned for Brexit.

Can you link to that petition?

ta

Mel

No, it's closed now. It was only open for a few hours, back in June. (And you had to be over 18 as well)

[Rhyd6]

I believe there's a new petition for those in favour of Trump visiting the UK, perhaps you'd like to sign that

I'm very dubious about online petitions because they are so easy to hack (so OH tells me). The DM has a map showing the areas of the country where most of the signatures originate, mainly London and University towns/cities.

I must admit that I find it rather amusing that people are getting their knickers in a twist about a President who is doing what he stated he would do when on the campaign trail. So far the arch hypocrite seems to be a Mr. Zuckerfield who is incensed about "The Wall" this is despite building a wall around his estate in Hawaii in order to keep out the riff raff.

R6

[Beerpig]

I think Trump should be given a chance.
He is the democratically elected leader of the USA and we should treat him with respect.

[ThirdWay]

I think Trump should be given a chance.
He is the democratically elected leader of the USA and we should treat him with respect.

Respect has to be earned. (I'm not holding my breath...)

[swill453]

I think Trump should be given a chance.

Absolutely. The thought that he might actually try and deliver on his campaign promises of building a Mexican wall, banning Muslims etc. is ridiculous.

Oh, wait a minute......

Scott.

[bungeejumper]

I think Trump should be given a chance.
He is the democratically elected leader of the USA and we should treat him with respect.

A chance? Yes, he's got the same chance as every other US president. He's got four years clear, and all he has to do is not get impeached by his own countrymen.

Respect? Well okay, let's judge him by his actions, not his words. One week in, and he's cancelled the refugee programme, locked out and detained 200 people with legitimate US papers, discriminated against Muslim migrants while saying okay to Christians, tried his best to stop abortion, lied extravagantly about his inauguration (and threatened any pressmen who dare to speak the truth), and been stopped in his tracks by the first of well over 100 challenges in the courts of law. The rest are still to come. Yes, respect. I'm not holding my breath.

BJ

[brightncheerful]

I have also heard that the man has no long-standing true friends. Apparently he gets what he wants from people then dumps them.

Wise!

True friends are rare. Mostly, people have up to 5 close friends and even that could be a lot, 1-3 more likely. As for non-close friends, maybe up to around 15 friends and after that it's acquaintances.

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The TP is an interesting start to 2017. Last year, it was the referendum result (Brexit) that led to being careful about discussing politics amongst friends and acquaintances. Currently it's Trump and border control and whether to oppose or support. It is a decision i suspect borne of US intelligence agencies concerned about an influx of potential assassins intent upon commemorating the start of his presidency. Just imagine what would've have happened had he given advanced notice the closure to take effect in a couple of weeks' time: there'd be an almighty surge to get in before the gates shut.

[Clitheroekid]

I must admit that I find it rather amusing that people are getting their knickers in a twist about a President who is doing what he stated he would do when on the campaign trail.

I can't understand the logic of this. The people who are `getting their knickers in a twist' by signing the petition will be the same people who objected to what Trump was saying during his election campaign, so why would their views have changed simply because he's now the president?

It's not even as though they can be smacked down on the basis that by criticising a democratically elected president they are challenging `the will of the people' . None of the people signing the petition were part of the US democratic process, so they are entirely entitled to criticise a foreign leader and to object to the way he is being dealt with by our own government.

I think Trump should be given a chance.
He is the democratically elected leader of the USA and we should treat him with respect.

Vladimir Putin is the democratically elected leader of Russia, but he's a vicious thug whose government most resembles a crime syndicate, and I have no respect at all for him. As Third Way says, respect has to be earned, and so far Trump's behaviour has done nothing to persuade me that he deserves my respect.

I appreciate that others feel differently, so if you and they want to respect him that's your privilege, but there is no obligation on `we' as a nation to follow that example.

[melonfool]

It's got a long way to go to match the 17.2 million who petitioned for Brexit.

Can you link to that petition?

ta

Mel

No, it's closed now. It was only open for a few hours, back in June. (And you had to be over 18 as well)

I don't think referenda and petitions are the same thing at all.

Mel

[mswjr]

Can you link to that petition?

ta

Mel

No, it's closed now. It was only open for a few hours, back in June. (And you had to be over 18 as well)

I don't think referenda and petitions are the same thing at all.

Mel

In that referendums require careful mature thought, and the results have gravitas and should be respected by all, I agree.

[melonfool]

No, it's closed now. It was only open for a few hours, back in June. (And you had to be over 18 as well)

I don't think referenda and petitions are the same thing at all.

Mel

In that referendums require careful mature thought, and the results have gravitas and should be respected by all, I agree.

Don't put words in people's mouths.

Mel

[mswjr]

I don't think referenda and petitions are the same thing at all.

Mel

In that referendums require careful mature thought, and the results have gravitas and should be respected by all, I agree.

Don't put words in people's mouths.

Mel

Oh for Pete's sake. OK then, if you're saying something else, then I may not agree. Lighten up.