The Lemon Fool

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56913993

There is a call for Mt Snowden to be referred to by its Welsh name. I'd be happy to do that but has anyone got a clue how to pronounce Yr Wyddfa.

On a side note, is there a Welsh edition of scrabble containing significantly fewer vowels than the English version?

John

Er....withva?

I suspect that it will suffer the same fate as Ho Chi Min City which is still referred to buy all and sundry as Saigon

Dod

redsturgeon wrote:I'd be happy to do that but has anyone got a clue how to pronounce Yr Wyddfa.

Yes. That "anyone" would include the author of the link you gave, who gives the phonetic answer you require. It's "er-with-va" it seems.

(I won't be using it).

redsturgeon wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56913993

There is a call for Mt Snowden[sic] to be referred to by its Welsh name. I'd be happy to do that but has anyone got a clue how to pronounce Yr Wyddfa.
John

Is there a mountain named after the great whistleblower now?

'I will be climbing The Grave this year'
Hmmm, prefer the Anglo-Saxon (despite being partly Welsh myself)

Dod101 wrote:I suspect that it will suffer the same fate as Ho Chi Min City which is still referred to buy all and sundry as Saigon

Dod

And Aberdeen

UncleEbenezer wrote:

redsturgeon wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56913993

There is a call for Mt Snowden[sic] to be referred to by its Welsh name. I'd be happy to do that but has anyone got a clue how to pronounce Yr Wyddfa.
John

Is there a mountain named after the great whistleblower now?

LOL

I must got some glasses seen.

John

I'm going to start a petition to get Shrewsbury changed back to is orginal "Scrobbesburh", as I'm sick of people pronouncing it Shrooze-bree, raher than Shroze-bree.

AleisterCrowley wrote:Er....withva?

Not so fast. I don't speak Welsh but I thought Y in any but the last syllable is pronounced like a U.

Google says:
The rules governing the letter Y are some of the most confusing in Welsh. Normally it's pronounced like the u in cut, but in the last syllable of a word it most commonly represents the sound of the ee in beet.

So it should be pronounced:

irr Wuthva?

AleisterCrowley wrote:I'm going to start a petition to get Shrewsbury changed back to is orginal "Scrobbesburh", as I'm sick of people pronouncing it Shrooze-bree, raher than Shroze-bree.

I recall Michael Portillo covering this, and he found that both are acceptable to the locals.

There's hundreds of years of history for the name Snowdon in English. If Welsh speakers want to call it something else that's fine, but I expect most of the population of Wales will continue to call it Snowdon.

Scott.

Nimrod103 wrote:

AleisterCrowley wrote:I'm going to start a petition to get Shrewsbury changed back to is orginal "Scrobbesburh", as I'm sick of people pronouncing it Shrooze-bree, raher than Shroze-bree.

I recall Michael Portillo covering this, and he found that both are acceptable to the locals.

Not to this local
(And yes both are OK, apart from the school and the biscuit, which are always Shroze-bree)

I was always told that we Welsh pronounced it Shroozebree just to annoy the English. I don't care whether you call the mountain Snowdon or Yr Wyddfa as long as when you visit you take your rubbish home with you.
One of the villages near here, with a long and illustrious history (according to the locals) is Caergwrle but everyone, including all the locals refer to it as Kygirlie. Taxi and bus drivers wouldn't have a clue where you wanted to go if you used the correct pronunciation.

R6

Rhyd6 wrote:I was always told that we Welsh pronounced it Shroozebree just to annoy the English. I don't care whether you call the mountain Snowdon or Yr Wyddfa as long as when you visit you take your rubbish home with you.
One of the villages near here, with a long and illustrious history (according to the locals) is Caergwrle but everyone, including all the locals refer to it as Kygirlie. Taxi and bus drivers wouldn't have a clue where you wanted to go if you used the correct pronunciation.

My approach to taking a taxi in Wales is the same as I adopt in any non-English speaking country. I hand the driver a piece of paper with the address written on it.

In North Wales anyway. In South Wales they don't seem so fussed about all this stuff.

Are they going to twin it with Milngavie?

Rhyd6 wrote:I was always told that we Welsh pronounced it Shroozebree just to annoy the English. I don't care whether you call the mountain Snowdon or Yr Wyddfa as long as when you visit you take your rubbish home with you.
One of the villages near here, with a long and illustrious history (according to the locals) is Caergwrle but everyone, including all the locals refer to it as Kygirlie. Taxi and bus drivers wouldn't have a clue where you wanted to go if you used the correct pronunciation.

R6

Can you settle the argument because I am genuinely interested:

Withva or Wuthva?

Lootman wrote:

Rhyd6 wrote:I was always told that we Welsh pronounced it Shroozebree just to annoy the English. I don't care whether you call the mountain Snowdon or Yr Wyddfa as long as when you visit you take your rubbish home with you.
One of the villages near here, with a long and illustrious history (according to the locals) is Caergwrle but everyone, including all the locals refer to it as Kygirlie. Taxi and bus drivers wouldn't have a clue where you wanted to go if you used the correct pronunciation.

My approach to taking a taxi in Wales is the same as I adopt in any non-English speaking country. I hand the driver a piece of paper with the address written on it.

In North Wales anyway. In South Wales they don't seem so fussed about all this stuff.

Yes, the Welsh in South Wales are definitely better.

AleisterCrowley wrote:I'm going to start a petition to get Shrewsbury changed back to is orginal "Scrobbesburh", as I'm sick of people pronouncing it Shrooze-bree, raher than Shroze-bree.

Just chill with an alternative rodent. Ratsberry. Now that could almost be misheard as something delicious we'll be enjoying in a couple of months.

Volesbury has a certain something. Sounds like it could be in Wiltshire, that great chalky lunatic asylum