Gun madness in the USA

[DiamondEcho]

This has always put me off visiting/travelling around the USA. However, can tourists carry guns too ?

Tourists can't carry guns; where did you hear that?
In some states tourists can visit (highly regulated) gun ranges; the same as in the UK as it happens.
In some states foreign residents can pass license tests and qualify for permits to use or buy guns. This is not a 'carry permit'.

The concept of a 'carry permit' is something a tourist won't ever get near. That's a right to walk down the street with a legally held handgun on your person.

So no, @ Moorfield, don't even concern yourself about the right to bear arms in the US. Just keep away from the very publicly known 'bad suburbs' of any major town you visit (I could point out similare in London, FWIW), where, as anywhere, trouble for unknowing tourists might arise, and like most well civilised places I expect you won't even have to think about guns or other danger.

There are many seriously more dangerous places due to firearms that Brits routinely visit for holidays and never give it a thought, Turkey for one. Perhaps the US is 'hoist' by it's own headline status and transparant media. Certainly off most tourists' radars.

[mc2fool]

Only citizens have rights in the good ol' USA.

Not so.

"Immigration restrictionists sometimes claim that noncitizens have no rights under the Constitution, and that the US government is therefore free to deal with them in whatever way it wants. At least as a general rule, this claim is simply false.

Noncitizens undeniably have a wide range of rights under the Constitution. Indeed, within the borders of the United States, they have most of the same rights as citizens do, and longstanding Supreme Court precedent bans most state laws discriminating against noncitizens. There is little if any serious controversy among experts over this matter.
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The Constitution reserves a few rights for citizens alone. Most notably, the Privileges and Immunities Clause of Article IV, Section 2, and the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment both protect the “privileges” and “immunities” of US citizens against various types of interference by state governments.

The Second and Ninth Amendments indicate that the rights they protect are those of “the people.” While the Supreme Court has never addressed this issue, lower courts have disagreed over whether “the people” entitled to the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms includes noncitizens, especially undocumented immigrants.

That a few constitutional rights may be specifically reserved to citizens underscores the broader principle that the vast majority are not. "

https://www.learnliberty.org/blog/t-he-constitutional-rights-of-noncitizens/

[1nvest]

The UK should be the same as America, the constitutional right to bear arms, even if just a knife.

Instead when a terrorist runs riot we're told to "run and hide". And where many of todays youth carry knives knowing that others more so inclined to ignore the law will be carrying. In pre-1960's when carrying knives was legal there was less inclination to threaten/use such in knowing greater equality.

[XFool]

The UK should be the same as America, the constitutional right to bear arms, even if just a knife.

Because, as we can see from the USA, it leads to infrequent deaths from criminal and accidental shootings?

Instead when a terrorist runs riot we're told to "run and hide".

How frequent are deaths from terrorism in the UK, compared to the death toll from criminal use of knives and weapons? Do you think suicidal terrorists would really be deterred by people carrying knives or even guns? They know the police will come with guns.

And where many of todays youth carry knives knowing that others more so inclined to ignore the law will be carrying. In pre-1960's when carrying knives was legal there was less inclination to threaten/use such in knowing greater equality.

So, in the "pre-1960s", there was less knife crime because people knew others likely carried knives but now there is more knife crime because people carry knives as they know others carry knives? Right...

In the "pre-1960s" there far fewer TVs in peoples homes - I think the solution to knife crime is obvious, no?

[didds]

But when you've lived years in a country where 'the government', the state or whatever genuinely could invade your home, arrest you and so on then it's not so trivial any more.

Like the USA you mean?