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Derby Day and . .

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Derby Day and . .

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Postby terminal7 » July 4th, 2020, 12:53 pm

And as it happens also Oaks day - world upside down.

Let's go for some outsiders - both from Ballydoyle and both ridden by Beggy.

Oaks - Passion (around 33/1)
Derby - Vatican City (around 11/1)

Obviously better prices on Betfair and clearly ew chances.

For those who understand - would have some lay bets around half these prices in running.

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Re: Derby Day and . .

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Postby Beerpig » July 7th, 2020, 2:22 pm

Hi Terminal

I watched the Derby and like most seasoned followers of the turf, was amazed how the other jockeys allowed the leader so much latitude.
You know the saying- you can give away weight, you can give away age but you cant give away distance.
The fancied horses were so busy checking on each other they let Serpentine steal a lead and when they realised the distance to recover, it was too late.
Very enterprising ride by the jockey so well done to him.
Bookies will be laughing all the way to the bank- Serperntine was 25/1, the placed horses were 50/1 and 66/1
Bah.
Still, there's next year on which occasion I think I shall just have a few quid ew on all the O'Brien horses and leave it at that.
He had no less than 7 in this years' field.
Such a shame Ballydoyle have cornered the market.
The days of Arthur Budgett and the other little men are gone forever.

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Re: Derby Day and . .

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Postby terminal7 » July 7th, 2020, 4:43 pm

Maybe we should have 2 races - Derby with Galileo colts and Derby with colts of all other stallions.

I read somewhere that O'Brien currently has some 70 Galileo 2yo's in training. Clearly this situation is likely to go on for a few more years as though 22 his fertility rate remains high.

In 2017, he covered 178 mares - the fee was 'private - but clearly was well over £500,000 to 'approved' mares.

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Re: Derby Day and . .

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Postby Beerpig » July 8th, 2020, 5:06 pm

What?
178 mares a season?
That's more than Hugh Hefner!
It didn't put hm off either- Heffner lived to be 91.

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Re: Derby Day and . .

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Postby terminal7 » July 8th, 2020, 6:26 pm

178 mares a season


Indeed, the top stallions tend to cover a minimum of 120 mares pa. Some (though they tend to be second division) travel to Oz, Japan and the States - staying 3/4 months at each location.

Incidentally, Coolmore insist on 50% ownership of all the foals sired by Galileo - hence they effectively have complete control over the offspring.

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Re: Derby Day and . .

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Postby dealtn » July 8th, 2020, 6:50 pm

terminal7 wrote:
178 mares a season


Indeed, the top stallions tend to cover a minimum of 120 mares pa. Some (though they tend to be second division) travel to Oz, Japan and the States - staying 3/4 months at each location.

Incidentally, Coolmore insist on 50% ownership of all the foals sired by Galileo - hence they effectively have complete control over the offspring.

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I don't even have 50% control over my own offspring!

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Re: Derby Day and . .

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Postby Clitheroekid » July 8th, 2020, 8:38 pm

terminal7 wrote:In 2017, he covered 178 mares - the fee was 'private - but clearly was well over £500,000 to 'approved' mares.

I frankly couldn't believe these figures - that's an annual income of £89m from just one horse!

But it's quite true - https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/20/busi ... index.html

I'd hate to think what the insurance premium for a horse like this must be. What's the capital value of an asset that can produce an astonishing income like that?

The article says that Galileo has been siring foals for 20 years, so at the beginning of its `career' a value of a billion pounds wouldn't seem unreasonable.

For a horse, that might keel over with a heart attack at any moment??? :o

I bet the vet that looks after it is paid well, but he must experience a few sleepless nights if it's under the weather!

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Re: Derby Day and . .

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Postby Mike4 » July 8th, 2020, 10:23 pm

Clitheroekid wrote:
terminal7 wrote:In 2017, he covered 178 mares - the fee was 'private - but clearly was well over £500,000 to 'approved' mares.

I frankly couldn't believe these figures - that's an annual income of £89m from just one horse!

But it's quite true - https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/20/busi ... index.html

I'd hate to think what the insurance premium for a horse like this must be. What's the capital value of an asset that can produce an astonishing income like that?

The article says that Galileo has been siring foals for 20 years, so at the beginning of its `career' a value of a billion pounds wouldn't seem unreasonable.

For a horse, that might keel over with a heart attack at any moment??? :o

I bet the vet that looks after it is paid well, but he must experience a few sleepless nights if it's under the weather!


I think this is why the horse-knapping of Shergar was such a big deal.

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Re: Derby Day and . .

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Postby terminal7 » July 9th, 2020, 2:04 pm

The article says that Galileo has been siring foals for 20 years, so at the beginning of its `career' a value of a billion pounds wouldn't seem unreasonable.


He actually was not such a high flyer in his early days at stud - I think about £25k or so a cover - even spent one year in Japan. Dubawi was more prominent. However it soon turned around as his offspring were so successful at the races.

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Re: Derby Day and . .

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Postby terminal7 » July 10th, 2020, 10:07 am

BTW - before anyone out there is hoping (and/or praying in the newly opened religious outlets) to be resurrected as the successor to Galileo, some 80/90% of male racehorses get gelded (or meet a premature death).

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