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AA Plc

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Postby westmoreland » February 5th, 2018, 9:30 pm

bear with me :lol:

the good:
trusted brand name and high degree of customer loyalty
100% cash conversion
significant reduction in debt and interest since IPO
stable revenues and operating margins
40% market share

the bad
huge debt of £2.7bn from its private equity days
question marks over sustainability of the dividend
business has suffered from lack of investment by private equity owners

i have of course put off by the collosal debt pile in the past, but have had another look after the share price has halved during the past year. cap ex has been around £70m in recent years and operating cash flows are strong at £300-350m - the problem is that half of this is being used to service the PE debt. the good news is that the debt has fallen from £3.35bn to £2.8bn since IPO and will continue to fall, albeit at a slow rate. the firm has managed to refinance some of its debt at lower rates.

the dividend is unsustainable, in my view. the market will not take kindly to a cut or suspension, though. the business can tolerate a high level of debt (£1.2-1-5bn taking into account excellent cash generation), but interest is currently only covered around twice.

if not for the PE ownership, in my view this would be one of the highest quality stocks in the FTSE. loyal customers, 31% operating margin, market leading coverage, and excellent cash conversion. the debt unfortunately leaves little margin for error.

plenty won't touch this with a bargepole - the irony is that at first glance the business is in much better shape than it was when the share price was triple. i'll need to have a closer look before deciding either way.

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Re: AA Plc

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Postby westmoreland » February 12th, 2018, 11:54 am

in a follow up to this - i'll be coming back and see what the debt situation is in 18-24 months. there's just not enough of a margin of safety at this level. ideally the board would cut back on the dividend at some point and rebase to a sustainable level. in the current market, this would be likely to cause a bit of panic which could make the business more interesting to value conscious investors.

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Re: AA Plc

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Postby westmoreland » February 21st, 2018, 11:14 am

Update today on strategy.

as i expected, the dividend has been cut and the board expects 2p per year going forwards - a more sustainable level.
guidance on investment in digital, IT and technology which will help them better manage their resources on the ground - essentially something they should have been doing years ago, but better late than never. this will reduce cash flows in the short run but is the correct strategy going forwards.

the market hasn't greeted this well and the share price is down 22%. again, i will wait to see significant progress on the debt reduction before investing.

the dividend wasn't sustainable, but the truth is that most shareholders don't care as long as they keep getting their income. long term shareholders should welcome this pivot in strategy IMO.

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Re: AA Plc

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Postby westmoreland » March 5th, 2018, 12:39 pm

update:

more bad news, AA is now likely to fall out of the ftse 250, which has prompted a new record low of 71p. share price was around 120p when this article was first written - glad to have dodged a bullet :shock:

lesson to all investors about the importance of only investing in companies that are stagnant / struggling, if they have strong balance sheets.

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Re: AA Plc

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Postby IanSmithISA » March 5th, 2018, 4:20 pm

The recent drop in the AA share price caught my attention for a short period of time, its debt problem is well known at £2.7billion.

With fairly stable EBITDA of around £350 million and all loans due for repayment by 2025 there is clearly an issue, especially as the loans have an average interest rate of around 4.5% which is pretty loe.

However if some form of long term loan were achieved over say 25 years then you could see financial stability for the company, well you could at first glance.

The private car market in the future say 15 years from now seems very hard to predict and I have real concerns on the number of vehicles in private hands and the owners choosing who provides insurance and roadside/home/recovery services.

At first glance it seems silly to say that less people will own cars in the future, it is so obviously wrong and certainly the whole repmobile market will be untouched as sales and support staff will still need to travel. These vehicles will likely remain available from private usage but insurance and recovery will continue to be decided by the company or lessor.

For owner drivers it seems likely that there will be an expansion in the number of congestion charging zones, add this to the cost of insurance and Road Fund Licence for older more polluting cars and it is very easy to see how family A will get rid of their 15 year old banger. Especially if this is a second car or a car that does very low mileage.

What will this be replaced by, an Electric Car, unlikely as even Tesla who don’t seem to be operating at a profit are having difficulty with battery cost and is the market ready for a £20k plus Ford Fiesta?

A new petrol or hybrid car, possibly, but once the decision is made to sell the car the idea of cycling, going by train or walking raises its head. So a new purchase may be delayed and after a few months the cost of owning a car suddenly looks a lot less appealing.

Those with a new car will likely find it stuffed with more and more autonomous systems and probably with petrol/electric hybrid power. Given the current trend of people buying cars they can’t really afford it is easy to see a move to lease only options, where Insurance and recovery is included in the price.

The autonomous car throws a spanner in the whole methodology of calculating insurance premiums, it is quite possible that the only was that insurance can work is if the car maker carries the cover. Typically insurers know how often 19 year old lads in a Super Turbo GTI with tinted windows and lowered suspension crashes. With autonomous driving aids it is quite possible that all instances of the Model Dull Family Saloon will crash on the same day as a software update went wrong, no insurer would be able to carry this risk as the premiums would be so high that nobody would pay them.

The AA insurance arm would probably become obsolete under these circumstances, however the recovery arm would likely either get or not get a mega recovery contract, gaining or losing a large number of members.

Supporting electric cars at the roadside is going to be quite different to supporting Petrol or Diesel cars, it may even turn out to be impractical, the only things that will break will require garage repair.

So in the short term another big price drop seems inevitable when a new debt management approach is found and in the longer term the services that the AA offers may not be relevant to the type of cars that are then on the road.

I genuinely don't understand why everyone doesn't just sell up today as in my view collapse is inevitiable :?

Bye

Ian

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Re: AA Plc

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Postby westmoreland » June 1st, 2019, 9:08 pm

share price now down to 54.5p.

the debt is proving much more difficult to reduce than they said at IPO. interest cover is 1.7, or just 1.34 if you look at the free cash flow currently being generated. this obviously leaves almost nothing for the rest of the business to invest, let alone consider dividends. net income down about 30%. at the moment, the business is solely about servicing debt, so still uninvestable.

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Re: AA Plc

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Postby CommissarJones » June 2nd, 2019, 3:47 pm

westmoreland wrote:this obviously leaves almost nothing for the rest of the business to invest, let alone consider dividends.

And yet the company is still paying a dividend, even if much reduced in the last couple of years (2 pence a share in respect of the most recent fiscal year, versus 9.3p for the year through January 2017), which simply staggers me given its debt load. I cannot see an argument for owning the AA's equity.


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