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Why not 2 run outs?

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Why not 2 run outs?

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Postby robbelg » October 18th, 2018, 5:43 pm

Australia run out a Pakistan player when the ball doen't reach the boundary

(Sorry for the Daily Mail link)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/crick ... -four.html

My question is why didn't they get both batsmen

( for those who can't/won't see the DM article both batsmen had assumed it was a boundary and were standing in the middle of the wicket chatting )

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Re: Why not 2 run outs?

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Postby IanSmithISA » October 19th, 2018, 7:52 am

Good morning

Rule 20.1.1.3 ..... The ball will be deemed to be dead from the instant of the incident causing the dismissal.

So once one batsman has been run out there is no opportunity to run out the other one.

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Re: Why not 2 run outs?

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Postby didds » October 19th, 2018, 9:00 am

Ian's got it. In cricket you can only dismiss one batsman at a time.

Unlike Baseball where double plays are not uncommon, and even triple plays and innings close are in theory possible.

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Re: Why not 2 run outs?

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Postby didds » October 19th, 2018, 9:02 am

meanwhile, yesterday was obviously the day for stupid runs outs


https://twitter.com/cricketcomau/status ... 4130708480

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Re: Why not 2 run outs?

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Postby robbelg » October 19th, 2018, 12:31 pm

IanSmithISA wrote:
Rule 20.1.1.3 ..... The ball will be deemed to be dead from the instant of the incident causing the dismissal.



Thank you.

Any idea when that rule was introduced, I'm sure I've seen a double run out ( In the VERY distant past ) or is it my imagination?

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Re: Why not 2 run outs?

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Postby GrandOiseau » October 19th, 2018, 1:08 pm

Isn't it like saying why can't a team score two goals. So score once, retreive the ball and score again?

You can't because the ball is now dead and the game needs to restart (when the new batsmen has entered the field).

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Re: Why not 2 run outs?

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Postby SalvorHardin » October 19th, 2018, 2:51 pm

It is possible. One of the run outs has to be a "Mankad", where the bowler runs out the non-striking batsman instead of completing his delivery. Then with the next ball there is a run out. Only one ball has been bowled yet there have been two legal run outs.

You could also have a run out followed by a Mankad with the next "ball".

Whilst the Mankad has been frowned upon, it is part of the game. The name dates back to a 1947 India v Australia test match. When I was playing school and village cricket I would usually run out at least one batsman a season by doing a "Mankad" (it's much easier to do it if you're bowling spin as you have a bit more time in your run up to spot the non striker leaving the crease).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_out#Vinoo_Mankad

Another way to get two wickets with one ball requires one of the two wickets to be off a wide (a wide isn't a ball). You can be out off a wide in one of four ways: hit wicket, obstructing the field, run out or stumped.

And of course there's always "Timed Out". In theory an entire team can be dismissed in one ball if the remaining nine batsmen don't arrive on time.

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Re: Why not 2 run outs?

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Postby didds » October 23rd, 2018, 8:12 am

>>> I'm sure I've seen a double run out ( In the VERY distant past ) or is it my imagination?#

Unless it was (WADR) some sort of joke game, or a game played under some experimental laws or some-such - it was your imagination [1]. As for when introduced - although I don't definitively know (ie I don;t have a copy of all the laws and their changes since time immemorial) I'd suggest its always been the case.

[1] As I said above maybe your recollection was softball or baseball, where double, or even triple, outs are possible (double plays are not at all uncommon).

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Re: Why not 2 run outs?

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Postby didds » October 23rd, 2018, 8:14 am

WRT to SH's variations on one ball, multiple wickets - yes, he is correct.

I'd suggest that that is not what people would normally mean by two run outs off one ball - the OP asked why Aus didn't also run out the 2nd Pakistani batsman stood in mid wicket having a chat (not AT mid wicket which is a different place. Or two different places depending on whether the batsman is left or right handed. I'll get me coat).

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