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Win 10 ver 1809

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby k333 » December 16th, 2018, 8:10 am

Thanks Bree. I can see what's happening now. I'm probably not getting the upgrade because I'm letting it happen automatically, which is quite rare (I assumed it would make no difference!).

As for the metered switch, it won't let me turn it on because my system doesn't have such a connection. Metered switches are only allowed over wi-fi, which I do not use, so the switch is pointless, and it knows it.

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby Breelander » December 16th, 2018, 12:54 pm

k333 wrote:Metered switches are only allowed over wi-fi, which I do not use, so the switch is pointless, and it knows it.


Not true now, this was added in the Creators Update, 1703. In fact it has always been possible to set Ethernet as metered with Regedit, all MS did was put a switch for this in settings.

Look in Settings > Network & Internet > Ethernet. Click on your Ethernet connection shown on this page to find it.

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby k333 » December 16th, 2018, 1:18 pm

Not true now, this was added in the Creators Update, 1703. In fact it has always been possible to set Ethernet as metered with Regedit, all MS did was put a switch for this in settings.

Look in Settings > Network & Internet > Ethernet. Click on your Ethernet connection shown on this page to find it.


Interesting! I have to say I was very puzzled when I read about the wi-fi only restriction. I'm sure I've seen ISPs with a limit as low as 20Gb in the past, which is significant compared to some of the upgrade sizes. I think 1803 was about 3Gb from memory.

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby Breelander » December 16th, 2018, 2:15 pm

k333 wrote:I'm sure I've seen ISPs with a limit as low as 20Gb in the past, which is significant compared to some of the upgrade sizes. I think 1803 was about 3Gb from memory.


The most basic BT Broadband account is 15GB, I'm on 30GB which is sufficient as I don't use it for TV.

BT wrote:If you go over your usage allowance, you'll be charged £2.20 per GB or part of.
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/deta ... 495/c/346/

Yes, its has always been about 3GB to download the W10 setup files as an ISO or USB with the Media Creation Tool, double that if you want to download both 32 & 64 bit versions (as I do). MS have actually been working on reducing this size, in particular if you use the automatic windows update. Some files by that method are now just patches for existing files rather than a full download of the new files (aka a 'canonical' download).

Microsoft wrote:Differential download packages rely on re-using files on your current OS to reconstruct the newer OS. This could include copying files as-is that have not changed between builds, or it could involve applying “binary deltas” or “diffs” to old files to generate newer files. Differential download packages are smaller and can take a shorter amount of time to download.

For a full build, we refer to this as a canonical download package. It is a self-contained update that contains all files for the update, and does not rely on any files on your device. Canonical download packages tend to be larger in size and may take longer to download.
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperi ... tform-uup/

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby chas49 » December 18th, 2018, 3:29 pm

It's just been applied to my 5 year old HP Pavilion Desktop. All seems fine. Will now boot the laptop to see what happens there.

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby mc2fool » December 24th, 2018, 9:20 am

Breelander wrote:
mc2fool wrote:Well I've had 1809 on my W10Pro desktop for a couple of days now and the only difference I've noticed is that left-clicking a folder within the File Explorer taskbar right-click menu no longer works....

Still works for me, so it's not a specifically 1809 issue.

As well as in the jump list above and This PC->Manage I also found that Run as administrator had stopped working, like the others it just did nothing -- but on a further dig around I've cracked it. :D

I used ShellExView as described at https://www.winhelponline.com/xp/slowrightclick.htm and identified the culprit as the NCH Express Zip File Compression tool which, it seems, has a dodgy context menu handler that was causing the problems. I got rid of that (unticked the option in the tool to add itself to the explorer context menu) and all's working fine again.

I don't even remember installing Express Zip File Compression, it must have come with VideoPad, which I did install, as they're both part of "NCH Suite"...

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby Breelander » December 24th, 2018, 10:36 am

mc2fool wrote: -- but on a further dig around I've cracked it. :D


Good bit of detective work - and just in timer for Christmas. You can relax, put the PC out of your mind and enjoy the festivities. :)

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby k333 » December 31st, 2018, 8:15 am

Looks like 1509 is now on its way for everyone. They currently have over 5% on it but it won't be long now.

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby supremetwo » December 31st, 2018, 11:53 am

k333 wrote:Looks like 1509 is now on its way for everyone. They currently have over 5% on it but it won't be long now.
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1509?
5%?

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby Infrasonic » December 31st, 2018, 12:33 pm

supremetwo wrote:
k333 wrote:Looks like 1509 is now on its way for everyone. They currently have over 5% on it but it won't be long now.
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1509?
5%?


Back to the future?...

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby k333 » December 31st, 2018, 12:35 pm

Yes 1809 of course. Wonder what the next one will be? 1909 must be a better bet than 1903 ...

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby Breelander » December 31st, 2018, 2:22 pm

k333 wrote:Wonder what the next one will be? 1909 must be a better bet than 1903 ...


The latest Insider build is still using the code name 19H1 (2019, 1st half of year) so looks like the plan is still for a 1903...

Microsoft wrote:December 19, 2018 10:21 am
...today we are releasing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 18305 (19H1) to Windows Insiders in the Fast ring.
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperi ... e37GvJ8.97

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby UncleZen » January 2nd, 2019, 1:40 pm

I got it on new years eve, upgrade functioned as expected.
I see there is still someone at MS that thinks we should all be able to switch between English US and English UK keyboards so we have ENG in our system tray to facilitate that. I'm willing to bet 99% of users never use that feature. And, if you're like me you remove the US keyboard and it comes back after every upgrade.

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby genou » January 2nd, 2019, 3:37 pm

UncleZen wrote:I got it on new years eve, upgrade functioned as expected.
I see there is still someone at MS that thinks we should all be able to switch between English US and English UK keyboards so we have ENG in our system tray to facilitate that. I'm willing to bet 99% of users never use that feature. And, if you're like me you remove the US keyboard and it comes back after every upgrade.


Not convinced that experience is universal. I recall getting US as part of the raw install of W10 ( now too long ago to be definite), I would have removed it as unwanted. It has never come back. I'm now on 1809, and EN US is only available via "Add a language" .

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Re: Win 10 ver 1809

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Postby Breelander » January 2nd, 2019, 4:36 pm

genou wrote:
UncleZen wrote:...I see there is still someone at MS that thinks we should all be able to switch between English US and English UK keyboards so we have ENG in our system tray to facilitate that. I'm willing to bet 99% of users never use that feature. And, if you're like me you remove the US keyboard and it comes back after every upgrade.


Not convinced that experience is universal. I recall getting US as part of the raw install of W10 ( now too long ago to be definite), I would have removed it as unwanted. It has never come back. I'm now on 1809, and EN US is only available via "Add a language" .


No, it is not universal. It will depend on which language version of Windows your OEM chose to install.

Windows is available in 'English' (en-us) or 'English International' (en-gb) versions. The Base language of the Windows installed on your PC and the default Input and Display language are not necessarily the same thing. It is quite possible to have the en-us version of Windows installed and configure it to appear as en-gb.

To find out what you have, open a Command Prompt and type the command: SYSTEMINFO | FIND "Locale"
The 'Sytem Locale' is your base language, the 'Input Locale' is the language your Windows is configured to display and use.

In fact, I have a UK-market Toshiba L750 laptop that was supplied with an installed OEM en-us Windows 7. I know this was 'as supplied' by Toshiba because I once did a 'factory reset' on it from it's recovery partition. When it got the free upgrade to W10 that had to be an upgrade to the same base language, hence it got en-us Win10 and I had to add en-gb afterwards. Thus I too ended up with the ENG in the system tray. Meanwhile another Samsung laptop of mine was supplied with an OEM en-gb Win7. After the upgrade that didn't have the ENG switch.

If (like me) you use Microsoft's Media Creation Tool to make the install media as an ISO or USB, then use that to manually upgrade to 1809 it is vital to make media for the same language as the base language of your Windows (en-gb or en-us). If you try to upgrade to a different language from that already installed you won't be allowed to retain any of your installed software.


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