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Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby Peltiq » January 12th, 2019, 11:50 am

I am looking for a reliable and cheap website where I can register and get hosting for a domain name and have 3 or4 personal email addresses.

I do not need a website, just email hosting.

Compatability with Thunderbird and K-9 mail (Android) would be a bonus.

Doe anyone have any suggestions please?

Thanks

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby Aminatidi » January 12th, 2019, 11:54 am

Google Domains will do that.

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby Julian » January 12th, 2019, 12:28 pm

Aminatidi wrote:Google Domains will do that.

Seconded. That's what I use.

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby johnhemming » January 12th, 2019, 12:31 pm

There are quite a few providers. One that I use is Zoho. I also use other ways of doing this (including my own software).

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby Peltiq » January 13th, 2019, 4:35 am

Thanks for the replies, all very helpful.

To be honest I would rather avoid Google. I have had countless problems with them insisting that I sign in again when using Thunderbird to access my Gmail messages when abroad. Messages like "this device is not recognised" when I am using the same laptop every time. I also do not trust them to keep my details confidential.

I've looked at Zoho and it looks good. I'ts also marginally cheaper than Google!

Does anyone know if Zoho are reliable, or any other reason not to use them?

Thanks

Karen

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby johnhemming » January 13th, 2019, 6:39 am

Peltiq wrote:Does anyone know if Zoho are reliable, or any other reason not to use them?

I started using them mid last year when one of my old servers running Microsoft SBS2003 and XWall partially died and I was in a rush to set up a new service (I had it all working in the evening the server died). I also use Gmail, but not the POP or IMAP interface (to Thunderbird).

They have been OK since then, but that does not promise anything. I use Thunderbird to download email from three servers. Zoho and two servers that I have written based upon an open source SMTP/POP server. (the source code of the servers is the same, but they are on different devices running a range of different host names).

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby JohnB » January 13th, 2019, 7:49 am

I've used dnsexit for 20 years, though just to edit DNS entries and run mail forwarding, a friend registers the domains. No problems with their service

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby Aminatidi » January 13th, 2019, 10:07 am

I get that people have privacy concerns around Google.

However, the fact is that if you want a secure and robust email solution that you can trust to keep your information safe, Gmail is about the best choice there is (Office 365 would be another).

In 2019 if someone has access to your email account they are, effectively, you.

It pays not to delegate that kind of thing out to someone with a less than excellent track record around security and authentication.

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby Infrasonic » January 13th, 2019, 10:54 am

https://protonmail.com/ is the way to go if you want secure/private.

Thunderbird and Gmail issues are a known thing, supposedly the latest Thunderbird release fixes many of the problems.
I've never had an issue with Gmail since it came out, run several accounts, but I use Chrome browser for webmail access and the dedicated Gmail app on my phone, just using the desktop client (Mail in W10) as an offline sync/backup.

Likewise with Outlook.com.

Several domain aliases set up with both as well.
Fasthosts registered currently for domains but I'm looking at moving to a cheaper (reliable) alternative.

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby Peltiq » January 13th, 2019, 10:55 am

Thanks for all the further comments.

My plan is to proceed with Zoho, not at present but when I'm back home next month. I'm currently in south east Asia and Google have completely locked me out of my three gmail accounts for no reason that I can fathom. Zoho seems to have reasonable reviews and they have plenty of users globally. I do not intend to facilitate Google's plans to dominate the planet.

However, I am concerned by Aminatidi's comment.....It pays not to delegate that kind of thing out to someone with a less than excellent track record around security and authentication.

Are you suggesting that Zoho does not have an excellent track record with regard to security?

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby Lanark » January 13th, 2019, 12:33 pm

Buying a domain name, buying email hosting and buying web space can all be done separately.

There are good reasons for keeping them separate even if it costs more.

For example lets say you are signed up for a package with a domain, email and webspace, but then one day they (or rather their hopeless robo-detection script) decide your account is associated with porn in some way - they can just cancel your entire account - no domain, no email and often very hard to contact a human to dispute anything.

Note that completely innocent content can be flagged as porn - this is the kind of thing which trips the porn filters:
http://the-earth-story.com/post/1819374 ... -bio-creek

Heres a Google example
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/arti ... rive-error

Now in an alternate scenario, you buy the domain from NameCheap.com and separately sign up for email with Google Apps or Fastmail and separately buy web hosting with Pair.com. Now if the email provider has some problem and cancels your email account, you just sign up for another email account somewhere else, sign into the NameCheap account and redirect the domain - job done.

The same thing applies if the service starts under-performing, maybe you find lots of email just doesnt get delivered, maybe they introduce a new charging structure or it just runs really slowly - when you control the domain name separately, switching to an alternative is easy.

Saying all that, Google do generally perform very well, its just a matter of do you want to pay a bit extra for the added security/options in case anything goes wrong in the future. Just because a service is excellent today is no guarantee that will still be the case in 10 years time.

The new filtering systems that the tory government are bringing in are going to make it ever harder for small companies to have an independent web presence. We are moving closer to the system they have in China where the government control everything.
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2 ... sites.html

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby JohnB » January 13th, 2019, 2:04 pm

Last year I thought that using my gmail address for everything was a single point of failure, so I bought email forwarding for my vanity domain from DnsExit, so account@johnb.com redirected to johnb@gmail.com. Apart from the confusion remembering which email I'd used, I realised I'd not removed a failure point, but introduced one, as if DnsExit failed, I'd have no access to the account@ emails, and no easy way to change the DNS registration and forwarding. So I went back to a Gmail only solution

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby Infrasonic » January 13th, 2019, 3:57 pm

JohnB wrote:Last year I thought that using my gmail address for everything was a single point of failure, so I bought email forwarding for my vanity domain from DnsExit, so account@johnb.com redirected to johnb@gmail.com. Apart from the confusion remembering which email I'd used, I realised I'd not removed a failure point, but introduced one, as if DnsExit failed, I'd have no access to the account@ emails, and no easy way to change the DNS registration and forwarding. So I went back to a Gmail only solution


All you need to do is POP3 or IMAP your Gmail account somewhere else, like another webmail account on a different ecosystem.
I run my main Outlook.com aggregator account that way to two separate Gmail accounts, one POP3 one IMAP. The POP3 is really just an inbox archive in case of a system meltdown which knocks on to the mirrored IMAP as well. Use filters+ coloured labels to sort out the actual Gmail inbox email from the mirrored accounts. Simples.

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby JohnB » January 13th, 2019, 6:37 pm

That will allow access to old emails (and I do Google Takeouts for that, if not often enough), but there is still the problem of future emails. Google have always given notice when closing down projects, but you never know. But then if the 800lb gorilla dies, company helpdesks will be sympathetic to sorting out the mess.

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby Infrasonic » January 13th, 2019, 7:08 pm

JohnB wrote:That will allow access to old emails (and I do Google Takeouts for that, if not often enough), but there is still the problem of future emails. Google have always given notice when closing down projects, but you never know. But then if the 800lb gorilla dies, company helpdesks will be sympathetic to sorting out the mess.


Mirror your addresses and use aliasing with your domains.
My house rental for example has a main outlook.com address, the same Gmail address and a third webmail address all set up with the mirroring on email, calendar (via subscriptions) and cloud storage accounts (via IFTTT with manual triggers), so if any one is down or permanently removed/wiped for whatever reason then I have two more that are fully up to date, working and accessible online.

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby Peltiq » January 16th, 2019, 12:07 pm

You may or may not be interested to know that I have bought a £10 domain name from Google domains and a €4 per month email account with ProtonMail. This will let me use my own domain name and provides 5 email addresses.

Al I have to do now is set everything up. Wish me luck!

Many thanks to everyone who have me such knowledgeable advice.

Karen

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby superFoolish » January 17th, 2019, 12:10 am

Peltiq wrote:You may or may not be interested to know that I have bought a £10 domain name from Google domains and a €4 per month email account with ProtonMail. This will let me use my own domain name and provides 5 email addresses.

Al I have to do now is set everything up. Wish me luck!

Many thanks to everyone who have me such knowledgeable advice.

Karen


As a matter of interest, why did you choose to pay for a separate email account with ProtonMail? €4 per month sounds (comparatively) expensive to me.

If your domain name is hosted on Google, you can use Google's mail servers for free, and have 100 email addresses per domain name (plus unlimited 'catch-all') addresses.

I can point you to instructions for setting up your Google domain name with their email servers if required.

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby Peltiq » January 17th, 2019, 5:05 am

As a matter of interest, why did you choose to pay for a separate email account with ProtonMail? €4 per month sounds (comparatively) expensive to me.

I took Lanark's earlier advice in this thread and kept the purchase of the domain and the email hosting separate. viewtopic.php?f=39&t=15652#p193205. HIs/her reasons made sense to me.

I also followed Infrasonic's advice to go with Protonmail, viewtopic.php?f=39&t=15652#p193192

I must admit that the transfer of the Google domain's DNS settings to Protonmail isn't as strightforward as it could be so I may well cancel the Protonmail deal and go with Google. I would therefore be interested in finding out how easy this would be to do.

Thanks

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby Infrasonic » January 17th, 2019, 8:43 am

FWIW I use Protonmail but not in conjunction with my domains or other webmail services currently.
There is a free option available if you wanted to get up to speed with that first before doing the domain transfers to the paid for version of Protomail.
Free inbox limit is 500MB, so if attachments are a big part of your email usage it might not work out using free.

I use my Protonmail account for financially or ID sensitive stuff like correspondence with solicitors et al. The account name is a bunch of numbers to avoid it being tied to my real world ID.
Most of my other generic email goes via various webmail accounts, business stuff via the domains or their aliases.

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Re: Domain name and 3 or 4 email addresses

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Postby superFoolish » January 17th, 2019, 12:16 pm

Peltiq wrote:I must admit that the transfer of the Google domain's DNS settings to Protonmail isn't as strightforward as it could be so I may well cancel the Protonmail deal and go with Google. I would therefore be interested in finding out how easy this would be to do.

I wrote a ridiculously long post here, but you can just jump to the penultimate paragraph, labelled ‘Note 3’ for the relevant information. I hope it helps:

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=11778#p140007

It only takes a few minutes to set up, and gmail servers are fast; I usually receive email within a couple of seconds, which is the main benefit I noticed over external mail servers. If you don’t receive email within a second or so, it’s down to the sender’s email server being ‘slow’.


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