Donate to Remove ads

Got a credit card? use our Credit Card & Finance Calculators

Thanks to Rhyd6,eyeball08,Wondergirly,bofh,johnstevens77, for Donating to support the site

IHT and Gifts

Practical Issues
terminal7
Lemon Quarter
Posts: 1935
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 6:26 pm
Has thanked: 225 times
Been thanked: 687 times

IHT and Gifts

#263943

Postby terminal7 » November 13th, 2019, 12:09 pm

Some 7 years ago I gave my son a significant amount of money in order that he could get on the housing ladder in London. This gift was accompanied by a letter stating that the money was indeed a gift. He is intending to move next year into a larger abode and the bank of mum and dad will no doubt be called upon again. Does one actually need - for IHT purposes - something in writing to state that the money is a gift? Obviously he is hoping that I live another 7 years!

T7

Lootman
The full Lemon
Posts: 18915
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 3:58 pm
Has thanked: 636 times
Been thanked: 6666 times

Re: IHT and Gifts

#263954

Postby Lootman » November 13th, 2019, 12:48 pm

terminal7 wrote:Some 7 years ago I gave my son a significant amount of money in order that he could get on the housing ladder in London. This gift was accompanied by a letter stating that the money was indeed a gift. He is intending to move next year into a larger abode and the bank of mum and dad will no doubt be called upon again. Does one actually need - for IHT purposes - something in writing to state that the money is a gift? Obviously he is hoping that I live another 7 years!

I've done the same thing and the letter I wrote stating that the transfer of funds was a gift was required by the mortgage lender, who wanted to be sure that the down payment for the house was not some type of loan.

There is no requirement to officially document a gift for tax purposes. Gifts don't normally need to be reported to HMRC at all in the normal course of things. Nor is any letter required.

However you should have a note somewhere that records what gifts are made, which would be available to the Executor of your Will in the event that you die within 7 years and it needs to be reported. HMRC would be delighted if the Executor reports such a gift as it means they get more IHT, and so are unlikely to challenge it or ask for proof.

After 7 years you can forget about it.

fca2019
2 Lemon pips
Posts: 220
Joined: July 18th, 2019, 8:37 am
Has thanked: 166 times
Been thanked: 65 times

Re: IHT and Gifts

#263995

Postby fca2019 » November 13th, 2019, 2:43 pm

Yes as lootman says no need for anything in writing. Best to keep a log of gifts given as easier to do as you go along, rather than have to reconstruct down the line. Think good practice to keep a spreadsheet of investments and a log of gifts made. Live for 7 years then happy days (under current legislation).

PinkDalek
Lemon Half
Posts: 6139
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 1:12 pm
Has thanked: 1589 times
Been thanked: 1801 times

Re: IHT and Gifts

#264032

Postby PinkDalek » November 13th, 2019, 6:31 pm

terminal7 wrote:[This gift was accompanied by a letter stating that the money was indeed a gift. ...


fca2019 wrote:Yes as lootman says no need for anything in writing. ...


There may be no need but there are reasons why something in writing may be a good idea.

We were advised by our then solicitors many years ago to write a letter to the donee stating that the sum being gifted is an absolute gift. With nothing to say why nor wherefore. Merely an absolute gift. The donee to countersign confirming safe receipt. A copy or the original documentation to go to the solicitor, to be placed next to the Will, or to be held in safe-keeping for the donor's executors.

Such a letter provides a couple of benefits:

1. It confirms the date of the gift.

2. It is beneficial for the donee to know that the gift is absolute. No ifs, no buts and no backtracking by the donor to say it was a loan all along. The latter does happen.

Chrysalis
Lemon Slice
Posts: 736
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 10:58 am
Has thanked: 247 times
Been thanked: 230 times

Re: IHT and Gifts

#264034

Postby Chrysalis » November 13th, 2019, 6:41 pm

PinkDalek wrote:It is beneficial for the donee to know that the gift is absolute. No ifs, no buts and no backtracking by the donor to say it was a loan all along. The latter does happen.


Indeed, there was an article in the FT personal finance column this week with a similar scenario.

PinkDalek
Lemon Half
Posts: 6139
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 1:12 pm
Has thanked: 1589 times
Been thanked: 1801 times

Re: IHT and Gifts

#264035

Postby PinkDalek » November 13th, 2019, 6:52 pm

Chrysalis wrote:Indeed, there was an article in the FT personal finance column this week with a similar scenario.


If you can find it online, kindly provide a link and give the article's title.

Edit: This might be it Can I force my stepson to repay money I lent him to buy his flat? using Google to find the full article in the cache. This is a reverse situation but may be worth reading generally.

Chrysalis
Lemon Slice
Posts: 736
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 10:58 am
Has thanked: 247 times
Been thanked: 230 times

Re: IHT and Gifts

#264046

Postby Chrysalis » November 13th, 2019, 8:42 pm

Yes, that’s it. I didn’t link as it is behind a paywall. Not clear from the story what the understanding was when the arrangement was first agreed to - only that in the donor’s mind he now thinks it was a loan and wants it back, in the light of his divorce from the recipients mother.

PinkDalek
Lemon Half
Posts: 6139
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 1:12 pm
Has thanked: 1589 times
Been thanked: 1801 times

Re: IHT and Gifts

#264068

Postby PinkDalek » November 13th, 2019, 10:30 pm

Yes but using the heading you can find the entire article (despite the paywall).

What I meant by reverse is in the article there was nothing to say it wasn’t a loan but we never find out if there was paperwork or anything else to confirm. As one of the professionals (a solicitor) said over there:

... the central question is whether you can show that the money was advanced as a loan — as opposed to a gift — and what contractual arrangement was in place between you and your stepson at the outset.


Return to “Taxes (Practical)”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Alaric and 21 guests