Donate to Remove ads

Got a credit card? use our Credit Card & Finance Calculators

Thanks to Shelford,GrahamPlatt,gpadsa,Steffers0,lansdown, for Donating to support the site

Pensioncraft: Bond Sell Off

Gilts, bonds, and interest-bearing shares
GeoffF100
Lemon Quarter
Posts: 4787
Joined: November 14th, 2016, 7:33 pm
Has thanked: 178 times
Been thanked: 1382 times

Pensioncraft: Bond Sell Off

#620469

Postby GeoffF100 » October 13th, 2023, 8:35 pm

New Pensioncraft video "The Great Bond Sell Off: What Does it Mean?":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_ouYeSMPEU

You do not need to go to junk, but perhaps it is not wrong to wait a bit.

GoSeigen
Lemon Quarter
Posts: 4460
Joined: November 8th, 2016, 11:14 pm
Has thanked: 1619 times
Been thanked: 1615 times

Re: Pensioncraft: Bond Sell Off

#620527

Postby GoSeigen » October 14th, 2023, 10:03 am

Dude knows his bond market well but repeatedly uses the term "sell-off" which grates for this investor. However, much like me, he sees current yields as about right and maybe with room to move up further, especially in the UK. IMV yield rises are due to: 1. changing inflation expectations 2. end of secular bond bull market, i.e. new bear trend -- i.e. almost all due to prior mispricing now being corrected. He waffles about the usual oil prices/QE-QT etc causes.

I still think low to medium tenor is the place to be if you have to buy gilts, but personally I'm avoiding gilts almost completely and focusing on shares.

Also interesting that the presenter takes the COVID period as a normal event in the market (this appears to be the prevailing orthodoxy) -- whereas my interpretation is that it was a shock interruption of the normal market and that to a great extent we should look through the discontinuities caused by COVID, else we come to some faulty conclusions about what is happening ("too rapid/unprecedented yield rises" etc). Starting history at Mar/Apr 2020 is an egregious error IMO.


GS

monabri
Lemon Half
Posts: 8453
Joined: January 7th, 2017, 9:56 am
Has thanked: 1552 times
Been thanked: 3450 times

Re: Pensioncraft: Bond Sell Off

#623949

Postby monabri » October 29th, 2023, 6:11 pm

More from Mr Nakisa but this time on Quantitative Tightening and the BoE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luQS9WnLuAo

If the Bank of England is flogging off long dated bonds at a loss rather than awaiting maturity then the "yield on offer" to new buyers will increase (and I would imagine) cause investors to move to buying bonds, 'locking in' on a secure yield. Will they be moving out of riskier equities and into bonds and are we seeing the beginnings of this now?

scotview
Lemon Quarter
Posts: 1511
Joined: November 5th, 2016, 9:00 am
Has thanked: 609 times
Been thanked: 931 times

Re: Pensioncraft: Bond Sell Off

#623952

Postby scotview » October 29th, 2023, 6:24 pm

Has the rise in bond yields got anything to do with buyers wanting "better rates" to match risk and a growing distrust of Central Banks manipulating economies with the potential for fiat currencies to fail ?

I may be well out of my depth asking that question though.


Return to “Gilts and Bonds”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests