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Marwyn Value Investors
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Marwyn Value Investors
Does anybody have any view on Marwyn Value Investors (MVI). It is listed as an IT in the UK smaller companies sector on the AIC site. It seems to be a very curious beast in that it holds nearly 50% in cash and 36% of its value is in one company which is Zegona Communications. Zegona is a listed company which sets out to buy and sell European telecoms companies. At the moment it is the biggest shareholder in a Spanish telecoms business called Euskatel. This seems to account for most of Zegona's value.
MVI is trading at a discount of 36% and yields over 7%. If the assets of MVI are half in cash it is difficult to understand the discount unless the Spanish telecomms business is hugely overvalued.
The performance figures for MVI over the last few years look awful but are distorted by capital returns. The shares are illiquid with a 10% spread at the moment but I was wondering about a small punt in the speculative compartment of my portfolio.
MVI is trading at a discount of 36% and yields over 7%. If the assets of MVI are half in cash it is difficult to understand the discount unless the Spanish telecomms business is hugely overvalued.
The performance figures for MVI over the last few years look awful but are distorted by capital returns. The shares are illiquid with a 10% spread at the moment but I was wondering about a small punt in the speculative compartment of my portfolio.
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Re: Marwyn Value Investors
Cheeky to charge 2.41% ( AIC figure) to hold 50% uninvested in cash...I'll do you a better deal!
https://www.theaic.co.uk/companydata/0P ... erformance
I highlighted the share price performance but the table also shows the relative NAV data.
Here's a comparison with CTY and Vanguard's VUKE ETF. In terms of Total Return over the last 5 years. MVI is the blue curve , well below the other two. Curves produced using HL's comparison tool, link below.
https://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-discoun ... ion/charts
Conclusion...managers are creaming off 2.41% and woefully underperforming. I'd keep the cash in your pocket, personally.
https://www.theaic.co.uk/companydata/0P ... erformance
I highlighted the share price performance but the table also shows the relative NAV data.
Here's a comparison with CTY and Vanguard's VUKE ETF. In terms of Total Return over the last 5 years. MVI is the blue curve , well below the other two. Curves produced using HL's comparison tool, link below.
https://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-discoun ... ion/charts
Conclusion...managers are creaming off 2.41% and woefully underperforming. I'd keep the cash in your pocket, personally.
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Re: Marwyn Value Investors
I agree with all you say Monabri although the capital performance has been distorted by capital returns. I just cannot get my head around the 36% discount if Zegona is worth even two thirds of its valuation and the rest is mostly cash it seems like MVI is undervalued and is paying over 7% dividend. I did say I was considering it for a speculative punt!
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Re: Marwyn Value Investors
A curious beast seems to be an apt description everhopeful. This is an interesting spot and not one I had looked into before.
Reading the interim report it seems the discount is an acknowledged problem and a 36% discount is after the manager completed a buy back program.
Seems like there is potential for value if the price re-rated. Question is what would be the catalyst for that? Volume is 7k. This just seems unknown and unloved. Perhaps one for the (very) patient?
Cheers,
Juan.
Reading the interim report it seems the discount is an acknowledged problem and a 36% discount is after the manager completed a buy back program.
Seems like there is potential for value if the price re-rated. Question is what would be the catalyst for that? Volume is 7k. This just seems unknown and unloved. Perhaps one for the (very) patient?
Cheers,
Juan.
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Re: Marwyn Value Investors
everhopeful wrote:I agree with all you say Monabri although the capital performance has been distorted by capital returns.
What exactly does this mean please everhopeful? All dividends form part of the total return quoted above in any case.
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Re: Marwyn Value Investors
The share price chart has been distorted by capital returns.
The total return chart has not.
The total return chart has not.
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David and Little Dorrit I must agree with your comments about the capital return. When I decided to look into MVI I read lots of information on line including on other boards and I made notes which included a comment about capital return influencing performance. I have tried now to find that comment to try to understand the logic and cannot. It only serves to compound my lack of understanding of MVI.
The price is up 4% today in a very illiquid market.
The price is up 4% today in a very illiquid market.
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Re: Marwyn Value Investors
Capital returns from deeply discounted trusts, or trusts in wind down, can influence investor returns in a positive way in the sense that they are made at zero or negligible discount to the NAV, eliminating the discount on that portion of the capital to the benefit of the investor.
A current example would be KKVL which via 2 capital repayments has provided a total return of slightly over 100% in the last 6 months.
https://lt.morningstar.com/fav18yujpm/c ... F00000TVVF
A current example would be KKVL which via 2 capital repayments has provided a total return of slightly over 100% in the last 6 months.
https://lt.morningstar.com/fav18yujpm/c ... F00000TVVF
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Re: Marwyn Value Investors
Everhopeful
MVI is actually a very interesting animal which if played with good timing can pay good rewards; whilst holding you are underpinned by assets 50% above the current sp.
What no-one has mentioned is that their largest holding (Zegona - ZEG) trades at 137p. ZEG's cash is 100% invested in Euskaltel, which has in turn received an all cash offer at a 22% premium to the previous Sp. This would result in ZEG having c170p cash; which would be paid back to shareholders - giving MVI a very nice NAV & Cash boost to MVI.
Much of that cash is likely to come back to MVI holders through a capital repayment.
This past week Invesco sold their 36.6% stake @ 107.5p - where the stock went not yet announced
The spread is usually absurd; though from time to time possible to pick up a stray seller.
IMO well worth a small allocation punt - even if you have to pay the current 119.7p...
MVI is actually a very interesting animal which if played with good timing can pay good rewards; whilst holding you are underpinned by assets 50% above the current sp.
What no-one has mentioned is that their largest holding (Zegona - ZEG) trades at 137p. ZEG's cash is 100% invested in Euskaltel, which has in turn received an all cash offer at a 22% premium to the previous Sp. This would result in ZEG having c170p cash; which would be paid back to shareholders - giving MVI a very nice NAV & Cash boost to MVI.
Much of that cash is likely to come back to MVI holders through a capital repayment.
This past week Invesco sold their 36.6% stake @ 107.5p - where the stock went not yet announced
The spread is usually absurd; though from time to time possible to pick up a stray seller.
IMO well worth a small allocation punt - even if you have to pay the current 119.7p...
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Re: Marwyn Value Investors
Thank you Skyship. An interesting update. I have taken a small punt a few days ago.
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