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Range info please: VW id3 58kw version

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Re: Range info please: VW id3 58kw version

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Postby DrFfybes » November 26th, 2021, 6:33 pm

Arborbridge wrote:
AF62 wrote:Saga - £154.62 - Fiat 124 Spider (insurance group 26), two drivers, retired, low crime area, maximum NCD (whatever that is), no points on licence, 8,000 miles social, domestic & pleasure, etc. And that is their 'guaranteed not to increase for three years' price.


Do you have legal expenses insurance and what is your excess? (asks Mrs Arb) Your insurance seems low for such a fast car.

Arb.


The 124 isn't really a fast car, it's an MX5 in a party frock :)

Paul

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Re: Range info please: VW id3 58kw version

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Postby DrFfybes » November 26th, 2021, 6:43 pm

Urbandreamer wrote:Arb.


I quite agree. Why should I not be able to get into my car and fly to the south of France? After all they have been promising, and building prototype, flying cars for years. Then again in the 60's they built cars that floated so I should just be able to drive across the channel if they had proved popular.
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Just in time..

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Re: Range info please: VW id3 58kw version

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Postby AF62 » November 26th, 2021, 6:51 pm

DrFfybes wrote:
Arborbridge wrote:
AF62 wrote:Saga - £154.62 - Fiat 124 Spider (insurance group 26), two drivers, retired, low crime area, maximum NCD (whatever that is), no points on licence, 8,000 miles social, domestic & pleasure, etc. And that is their 'guaranteed not to increase for three years' price.


Do you have legal expenses insurance and what is your excess? (asks Mrs Arb) Your insurance seems low for such a fast car.

Arb.


The 124 isn't really a fast car, it's an MX5 in a party frock :)

Paul


But it is a nice party frock!

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Re: Range info please: VW id3 58kw version

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Postby Arborbridge » November 26th, 2021, 7:30 pm

DrFfybes wrote:
Arborbridge wrote:
AF62 wrote:Saga - £154.62 - Fiat 124 Spider (insurance group 26), two drivers, retired, low crime area, maximum NCD (whatever that is), no points on licence, 8,000 miles social, domestic & pleasure, etc. And that is their 'guaranteed not to increase for three years' price.


Do you have legal expenses insurance and what is your excess? (asks Mrs Arb) Your insurance seems low for such a fast car.

Arb.


The 124 isn't really a fast car, it's an MX5 in a party frock :)

Paul


Fast enough, unless I looked up the wrong one. 136mph 0-60 in 6? Anyway, the point of the story was that it is in a far higher insurance group than the class B Merc.

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Re: Range info please: VW id3 58kw version

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Postby DrFfybes » November 26th, 2021, 9:08 pm

Arborbridge wrote:Fast enough, unless I looked up the wrong one. 136mph 0-60 in 6? Anyway, the point of the story was that it is in a far higher insurance group than the class B Merc.


I don't think insurance groups exist any more - I think the insurers simply have a profile of risk on each vehicle based on how much they pay out on them and once they have enough of them on their books the price goes up. I suspect there are a lot of people leasing cars who don't really look after them, and the popular cheap lease candidates end up in a higher bracket.

FWIW Parkers reckon the Fiat 124 S does 40 in about 7.3 seconds, the Abarth version 6.7sec, and the Merc B-class hybrid at 6.6 seconds!

Hence the Avensis with Admiral this year was 25% more than a Maserati, and yet MrsF only pays £160 for a 350bHp Z4M with the RAC, including business use, as with only a few hundred in the UK and an appreciating classic (allegedly) they probably don't get claimed on very often.

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Re: Range info please: VW id3 58kw version

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Postby Arborbridge » November 26th, 2021, 10:49 pm

DrFfybes wrote:
Arborbridge wrote:Fast enough, unless I looked up the wrong one. 136mph 0-60 in 6? Anyway, the point of the story was that it is in a far higher insurance group than the class B Merc.


I don't think insurance groups exist any more - I think the insurers simply have a profile of risk on each vehicle based on how much they pay out on them and once they have enough of them on their books the price goes up. I suspect there are a lot of people leasing cars who don't really look after them, and the popular cheap lease candidates end up in a higher bracket.

FWIW Parkers reckon the Fiat 124 S does 40 in about 7.3 seconds, the Abarth version 6.7sec, and the Merc B-class hybrid at 6.6 seconds!

Hence the Avensis with Admiral this year was 25% more than a Maserati, and yet MrsF only pays £160 for a 350bHp Z4M with the RAC, including business use, as with only a few hundred in the UK and an appreciating classic (allegedly) they probably don't get claimed on very often.

Paul


Insurance groups may not "exist" but they are given numbers, the Merc being 15 and the ID3 25 or 26, I think.

2020 Fiat 124 Spider Abarth goodle gives me 0-60 6.3 sec top speed 136mph.

As for my B class, it's a diesel and I doubt it could get to 60 inside 10-11 seconds.

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Re: Range info please: VW id3 58kw version

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Postby bungeejumper » November 27th, 2021, 9:18 am

Arborbridge wrote:2020 Fiat 124 Spider Abarth goodle gives me 0-60 6.3 sec top speed 136mph.

As for my B class, it's a diesel and I doubt it could get to 60 inside 10-11 seconds.

I don't know what dark forces are behind it, but it seems remarkably hard to pin down consistent figures for that Fiat. This US website (https://www.carindigo.com/fiat/124-spid ... ible/0to60) claims that "the 2021 Fiat 124 Spider Abarth Convertible comes equipped with a 1.4-liter Inline 4 that makes 717 hp @ 6100 rpm and 650 lb.-ft. @ 4800 rpm of torque."

Not bad for a convertible. Now that I'd like to see. :lol:

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Re: Range info please: VW id3 58kw version

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Postby AF62 » November 27th, 2021, 10:01 am

bungeejumper wrote:I don't know what dark forces are behind it, but it seems remarkably hard to pin down consistent figures for that Fiat.


The complexities are the brands and the different engine tunes used for different world markets.

In the UK Fiat sold the Fiat 124 and their subsidiary brand, Abarth, sold the Abarth 124. The UK version of the Fiat 124 has 140 bhp @ 5000 rpm and 240 N m torque @ 2250, giving a top speed of 134 and 0-60 at 7.5 seconds. The UK Abarth 124 version is 168 bhp and 250 N m torque @ 2250 and has a a top speed of 144 and 0-60 at 6.8 seconds.

However in the US Fiat use 'Abarth' as a trim level of Fiat cars, not a separate brand, and in addition the engines in the US cars are tuned differently so their Fiat 124s have been tuned to give 160 bhp.

And it isn't a fast car - there are far quicker 'hot hatches' out there which will leave it for dust. However far nicer to be to tootling along on a sunny day with the roof down at a speed that doesn't put your licence in danger, but with enough pick up to quickly overtake the car or lorry in front if you want to. And unlike the normally aspirated MX5, you don't have to continually rev it to death to get that power when you want it.


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