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A very silly car

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A very silly car

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Postby Leothebear » June 21st, 2024, 7:30 pm

The Bugatti Tourbillon. 8.3 litre W16 plus electric motor adding up to 1800PS.
0-62 in 2 seconds
Top speed 276MPH.
Up front money of Eur3.8 million to acquire one of the 250 being made.

https://www.goodwood.com/grr/road/news/ ... I5,ZX7TS,1

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby 88V8 » June 21st, 2024, 8:02 pm

Have to agree.
Rather pointless.
Performance that hardly any driver could utilise, even if it were legal.
I recall some years ago Mr Bean crashed his McLaren F1,twice, and he has racing experience!

Still, The Bug is probably not the sort of car that one buys to drive, and we are not the intended market.

V8

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby MuddyBoots » June 21st, 2024, 10:24 pm

88V8 wrote: Have to agree.
Rather pointless.
Performance that hardly any driver could utilise, even if it were legal.
I recall some years ago Mr Bean crashed his McLaren F1,twice, and he has racing experience!

Still, The Bug is probably not the sort of car that one buys to drive, and we are not the intended market.

V8


It's a pretty cool status symbol if you've got that kind of spare cash to splash, which is probably the point.
Someone said on another thread that the class system only exists in Britain and India these days, but I disagree :D

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby Gerry557 » June 22nd, 2024, 7:15 am

Having looked at this it has a few issues when viewed for towing my caravan.

But at the price they are asking you would think adding a bit more weight would be easy to do. I'll wait for the Top Gear review and probably buy the cycle that it races against.

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby marronier » June 22nd, 2024, 1:46 pm

If you have your own private straight 4-lane highway at a minimum 5 miles long , then it will be difficult not to buy it.

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby 88V8 » June 23rd, 2024, 10:06 am

I suppose more positively one could compare it to a high-end watch.
At the end of the day - and in between if you remember to wind it - it only tells the time.
But the standard of work, the people employed, one should be glad that such quality exists even if only for its own sake.

V8

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby swill453 » June 23rd, 2024, 6:03 pm

88V8 wrote:Have to agree.
Rather pointless.
Performance that hardly any driver could utilise, even if it were legal.

I'm in Germany at the moment, where much of the autobahn network has no speed limit. And to me it seems plenty drivers would utilise whatever performance was available to them.

Scott.

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby Charlottesquare » June 24th, 2024, 10:35 am

swill453 wrote:
88V8 wrote:Have to agree.
Rather pointless.
Performance that hardly any driver could utilise, even if it were legal.

I'm in Germany at the moment, where much of the autobahn network has no speed limit. And to me it seems plenty drivers would utilise whatever performance was available to them.

Scott.


Even in Germany tricky to drive fast.

I used to (up to 2022) take the ferry every year to Amsterdam or Rotterdam then drive across Netherlands/Germany to Puttgarden to cross into Denmark then head for Sweden, every time there were restricted speeds /roadworks.

The only time relatively recently that I could just floor the car was a brief stretch down nearer Frankfurt when my son was living there, before that it was a long time back driving from Hamburg up to Denmark in circa 1994/1995.

The German drive as fast as you like has never been there for me, they spend all their time digging up their roads such that one averages 56mph

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby Oggy » July 5th, 2024, 5:05 pm

Silly? - only to those who cannot appreciate world-beating engineering, completely miss the point of why it was built and demonstrating the typical crappy UK approach these days to excellence. Little wonder all our previous engineering prowess has long since disappeared - and we are all the poorer for it, unlike the Germans who own Bugatti, and sadly Bentley, Rolls Royce, Mini, etc etc etc.........

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby DrFfybes » July 5th, 2024, 6:04 pm

Oggy wrote:Silly? - only to those who cannot appreciate world-beating engineering, completely miss the point of why it was built and demonstrating the typical crappy UK approach these days to excellence. Little wonder all our previous engineering prowess has long since disappeared - and we are all the poorer for it, unlike the Germans who own Bugatti, and sadly Bentley, Rolls Royce, Mini, etc etc etc.........


Not all bad, we still have Caterham and Ginetta. Obviously McLaren, Lotus, and Aston martin don't count any more.

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby bungeejumper » July 5th, 2024, 7:19 pm

Oggy wrote:.....demonstrating the typical crappy UK approach these days to excellence. Little wonder all our previous engineering prowess has long since disappeared - and we are all the poorer for it, unlike the Germans who own Bugatti, and sadly Bentley, Rolls Royce, Mini, etc etc etc.........

Hate to burst your rose-tinted bubble, but "these days" doesn't come into it. :| British motor engineering lost the will to live more than fifty years ago, thanks to a succession of incompetent governments which had collectively failed to invest in the industry, or even to understand why somebody ought to. I used to teach in the Longbridge car-producing district during the 1970s, and you heard about every sh1tty management decision from the kids' parents who were trying to scrape together a living wage on the on/off production lines.

It was true that the Brummie unions were stroppy, but you'd have been stroppy too if you'd been treated like they were. Same story in Coventry and in Dagenham. Meanwhile, the Japanese taught us everything we ought to have known about quality, and the Germans began their inexorable conquest of the market.

Rant over. :D But a few random facts about Bugattis of all descriptions. They cost three million quid apiece, on average, and the company only builds about thirty cars a year. The average Bugatti owner (allegedly) has more than eighty cars in his garage, and unsurprisingly he does less than 3,000 miles a year, although admittedly that figure is skewed by the high proprtion that do no miles at all because they're being held in their underground bunkers as investments.

And an oil change costs $20,000, because it takes more than 100 hours to complete. Excellence? It depends on how you understand the word. Silly doesn't even begin to describe these things. Anyone who really loved driving would buy something else.

BJ
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Re: A very silly car

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Postby Mike4 » July 5th, 2024, 7:20 pm

marronier wrote:If you have your own private straight 4-lane highway at a minimum 5 miles long , then it will be difficult not to buy it.


Kinda like the Catesby Tunnel? But longer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catesby_Tunnel

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby 88V8 » July 5th, 2024, 7:33 pm

If you want a very very silly car embodying fantastic concept and workmanship, then here it is.
Watch it being built from scratch.
Top speed more modest.

Bugatti... for those with more taste, you can buy one here.

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby bungeejumper » July 6th, 2024, 1:05 pm

88V8 wrote:Bugatti... for those with more taste, you can buy one here.

Very nice. A former neighbour used to own Malcolm Campbell's 1926 Bugatti Type 35B. One of three Bugs, which he and his wife used to drive across Europe until well into their eighties. Now that's a car!
https://williamianson.com/car/the-ex-si ... -type-35b/
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Re: A very silly car

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Postby Oggy » July 6th, 2024, 3:17 pm

bungeejumper wrote:
Oggy wrote:.....demonstrating the typical crappy UK approach these days to excellence. Little wonder all our previous engineering prowess has long since disappeared - and we are all the poorer for it, unlike the Germans who own Bugatti, and sadly Bentley, Rolls Royce, Mini, etc etc etc.........

Hate to burst your rose-tinted bubble, but "these days" doesn't come into it. :| British motor engineering lost the will to live more than fifty years ago, thanks to a succession of incompetent governments which had collectively failed to invest in the industry, or even to understand why somebody ought to. I used to teach in the Longbridge car-producing district during the 1970s, and you heard about every sh1tty management decision from the kids' parents who were trying to scrape together a living wage on the on/off production lines.

It was true that the Brummie unions were stroppy, but you'd have been stroppy too if you'd been treated like they were. Same story in Coventry and in Dagenham. Meanwhile, the Japanese taught us everything we ought to have known about quality, and the Germans began their inexorable conquest of the market.

Rant over. :D But a few random facts about Bugattis of all descriptions. They cost three million quid apiece, on average, and the company only builds about thirty cars a year. The average Bugatti owner (allegedly) has more than eighty cars in his garage, and unsurprisingly he does less than 3,000 miles a year, although admittedly that figure is skewed by the high proprtion that do no miles at all because they're being held in their underground bunkers as investments.

And an oil change costs $20,000, because it takes more than 100 hours to complete. Excellence? It depends on how you understand the word. Silly doesn't even begin to describe these things. Anyone who really loved driving would buy something else.

BJ


They are all sold out - before they are even built and at 3M a pop. If you think that is silly then you are clearly off your rocker. The crappy approach in the UK to excellence of this kind is clearly demonstrated in this thread and nothing really to do with the demise of BL which was largely self-inflicted. Many British hate to see excellence in any area. They are quite content to revel in spite and envy of others doing well and working hard, whilst they themselves sponge from others via the engorged State. A has-been nation which now offers nothing but mediocrity.

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby bungeejumper » July 6th, 2024, 3:27 pm

Oggy wrote:The crappy approach in the UK to excellence of this kind is clearly demonstrated in this thread and nothing really to do with the demise of BL which was largely self-inflicted. Many British hate to see excellence in any area. They are quite content to revel in spite and envy of others doing well and working hard, whilst they themselves sponge from others via the engorged State. A has-been nation which now offers nothing but mediocrity.

My word, but you sound like you'd be fun at parties. Suit yourself, anyway. Hope the indigestion gets better soon.

BJ

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby Oggy » July 6th, 2024, 4:05 pm

bungeejumper wrote:
Oggy wrote:The crappy approach in the UK to excellence of this kind is clearly demonstrated in this thread and nothing really to do with the demise of BL which was largely self-inflicted. Many British hate to see excellence in any area. They are quite content to revel in spite and envy of others doing well and working hard, whilst they themselves sponge from others via the engorged State. A has-been nation which now offers nothing but mediocrity.

My word, but you sound like you'd be fun at parties. Suit yourself, anyway. Hope the indigestion gets better soon.

BJ


Not really a credible response is it. If all you can muster is a pathetic ad hominem response it is really better if you simply keep quiet.

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby bungeejumper » July 6th, 2024, 4:19 pm

Oggy wrote:
bungeejumper wrote:My word, but you sound like you'd be fun at parties. Suit yourself, anyway. Hope the indigestion gets better soon.

Not really a credible response is it. If all you can muster is a pathetic ad hominem response it is really better if you simply keep quiet.

Sincerely intended, Oggy. It must be awful to be that miserable. :D But which part of "suit yourself" didn't you understand?

BJ

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby Oggy » July 6th, 2024, 4:45 pm

bungeejumper wrote:
Oggy wrote:Not really a credible response is it. If all you can muster is a pathetic ad hominem response it is really better if you simply keep quiet.

Sincerely intended, Oggy. It must be awful to be that miserable. :D But which part of "suit yourself" didn't you understand?

BJ


It is not a question of being miserable. More a question of being mildly depressed and annoyed when folk see a superbly engineered product that has sold out before it has even been produced as being "silly" ...and yes I am an engineer.

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Re: A very silly car

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Postby 9873210 » July 6th, 2024, 9:40 pm

The Bugatti may be excellent something but it is not excellent engineering.

"Engineering" without economics is not engineering. Failure to realise this is the most likely cause of the decline in British industry.

If you're hand fitting parts on the production line it does not matter how skilled your craftsmen are, in the end you'll still be bankrupt.


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