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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby Hallucigenia » June 27th, 2022, 12:12 pm

Itsallaguess wrote:Well there was lots that I enjoyed, and I mentioned Supergrass in an earlier post as being an early highlight for me, but on your particular point above, I think it's worth mentioning that there's been a growing element of that type of thing in Glastonbury itself, which seems to have become much more prevalent in recent years, where there's barely a set goes by without the music being put well aside for a time whilst political views are forcefully expressed in front of an audience that, like you and me, often turned up and tuned in to experience musical joy, and not a regular streams of political and social-justice rants to a captive audience...


Err - Glastonbury has always been political, what's changed is the influx of Waitrose types who think it is "just about musical joy". In the 1970s and 1980s it was practically the AGM of CND.

Whinging about Glastonbury used to be done so much better in The Good Old Days, at least the whingers had some idea of the history and context, the whingers these days know nothing.

I suspect that the Waitrose parents who took their tween daughters to Olivia Rodrigo probably didn't expect to be in the middle of a crowd singing F*ck You with Lily Allen aimed at the US Supreme Court. And let's face it, Allen is not exactly Malcolm X, and to older eyes it all feels a bit smug-ooh-we're-using-the-naughty-word. But it's not aimed at people like me, and I'm happy if it works for them. Interestingly they've redacted it from the full-length set on iPlayer but have put it out on YouTube.

As a reminder, you can get setlists here, it's amazing all the stuff that goes on that you never hear about, the Sugababes and Mcfly are two of the more surprising appearances but I'm sure both had right good singalongs :
https://www.setlist.fm/festival/2022/gl ... 4ee4a.html

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby terminal7 » June 27th, 2022, 12:31 pm

If you want to see the way music is going that makes Billie Eilish seem positively MoR - just take a brief peek (that's all you will be able to stomach) at Megan thee Stallion at Glasto. Enough to make the droogs beat up a tramp.

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby servodude » June 27th, 2022, 12:40 pm

terminal7 wrote:If you want to see the way music is going that makes Billie Eilish seem positively MoR - just take a brief peek (that's all you will be able to stomach) at Megan thee Stallion at Glasto. Enough to make the droogs beat up a tramp.

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She's doing Beethoven?

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby terminal7 » June 27th, 2022, 12:45 pm

No Singing in the Pain

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby Itsallaguess » June 27th, 2022, 12:48 pm

Hallucigenia wrote:
Err - Glastonbury has always been political, what's changed is the influx of Waitrose types who think it is "just about musical joy". In the 1970s and 1980s it was practically the AGM of CND.


Well I accept that, and am aware of the historical context, but I don't think there should be a 'what's changed' conversation without also recognising the huge commercialisation of the festival that means the oh-too-regular and force-fed politics now tends to jar in a much more intrusive way than it's likely to have done in an earlier life...

It feels like it's wanting it both ways to some extent, and if you squint a bit you can almost see it wanting to bite the hand that now feeds it...

Cheers,

Itsallaguess

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby pje16 » June 27th, 2022, 1:09 pm

servodude wrote:
terminal7 wrote:brilliant sets from St. Vincent (great support and she is a true original)


I really need to see her live to make my mind up; she's certainly original

Saw the Polyphonic Spree back in the day and loved it but I'm not sure if she was there... there were hunners of the sods.
Absolutely loved her album with David Byrne.
Can't quite get to grips with her guitar despite thinking it's gorgeous to look at (there's something weird about how Ernie Ball profile the necks)
But recently her albums have sounded like made for "radio" high gloss "could be anyone" stuff and I'm sure that's not really her fault

At her best I reckon she's up there with Bowie but sometimes she seems more Madonna.


Thanks to both of you
I had never heard of her (I must be in the wrong generation now)
The Bowie ref was enough for me to download an album of hers (Daddy's Home)
and have enjoyed what I have heard so far
Cheers

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby terminal7 » June 27th, 2022, 1:15 pm

pje16 wrote:
servodude wrote:
terminal7 wrote:brilliant sets from St. Vincent (great support and she is a true original)


I really need to see her live to make my mind up; she's certainly original

Saw the Polyphonic Spree back in the day and loved it but I'm not sure if she was there... there were hunners of the sods.
Absolutely loved her album with David Byrne.
Can't quite get to grips with her guitar despite thinking it's gorgeous to look at (there's something weird about how Ernie Ball profile the necks)
But recently her albums have sounded like made for "radio" high gloss "could be anyone" stuff and I'm sure that's not really her fault

At her best I reckon she's up there with Bowie but sometimes she seems more Madonna.


Thanks to both of you
I had never heard of her (I must be in the wrong generation now)
The Bowie ref was enough for me to download an album of hers (Daddy's Home)
and have enjoyed what I have heard so far
Cheers


pje16 - Her Glasto set includes much of Daddy's Home

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby terminal7 » June 27th, 2022, 1:17 pm

The Macca set: Fools if you have not seen just watch the last 30 mins or so and hope we are all around to see his 90th birthday appearance.

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby pje16 » June 27th, 2022, 1:45 pm

terminal7 wrote:
pje16 - Her Glasto set includes much of Daddy's Home

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Cheers
I'll have a look on Iplayer when I get home from work

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby Lootman » June 27th, 2022, 3:17 pm

Hallucigenia wrote:
Itsallaguess wrote:Well there was lots that I enjoyed, and I mentioned Supergrass in an earlier post as being an early highlight for me, but on your particular point above, I think it's worth mentioning that there's been a growing element of that type of thing in Glastonbury itself, which seems to have become much more prevalent in recent years, where there's barely a set goes by without the music being put well aside for a time whilst political views are forcefully expressed in front of an audience that, like you and me, often turned up and tuned in to experience musical joy, and not a regular streams of political and social-justice rants to a captive audience...

Err - Glastonbury has always been political, what's changed is the influx of Waitrose types who think it is "just about musical joy". In the 1970s and 1980s it was practically the AGM of CND.

Are you sure? My one time there was in the 1970s and I do not recall any proselyting or posturing.

Of course you can criticise any celebrity for doing that to some extent. Give them a platform and they cannot help themselves. We have seen actors and footballers jump on that bandwagon as well.

But personally my take on it all is that if I agree not to lecture them on singing, acting or football then they should abstain from lecturing me on politics. Just because I like their art doesn't mean I give a flying crap about their ideological biases.

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby Leothebear » June 27th, 2022, 3:39 pm

PhaseThree
There seems to be a recurring theme on this thread "I've listen to a couple of songs and didn't like them - ergo it's all crap".

I assume you're refering to my comment, which did not say that. Reread it if you can be bothered.

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby simoan » June 27th, 2022, 5:36 pm

Hallucigenia wrote:
Itsallaguess wrote:Well there was lots that I enjoyed, and I mentioned Supergrass in an earlier post as being an early highlight for me, but on your particular point above, I think it's worth mentioning that there's been a growing element of that type of thing in Glastonbury itself, which seems to have become much more prevalent in recent years, where there's barely a set goes by without the music being put well aside for a time whilst political views are forcefully expressed in front of an audience that, like you and me, often turned up and tuned in to experience musical joy, and not a regular streams of political and social-justice rants to a captive audience...


Err - Glastonbury has always been political, what's changed is the influx of Waitrose types who think it is "just about musical joy". In the 1970s and 1980s it was practically the AGM of CND.

Well, I went in the notorious 1985 mudfest and only remember Joan Ruddock and Bruce Kent giving short addresses between performances mid afternoon. Of course, the CND insignia was everywhere but apart from that it certainly didn't feel like a CND love-in. I assumed itsallaguess was referring to polemic from the performers themselves, which I agree is pretty tiresome. Why don't they just leave it for their social media accounts where their followers might care what they think. I certainly don't!

I thought there was some great stuff over the weekend and I'm still trying to catch up with things I missed. I've watched the Confidence Man set twice now just because it makes me smile so much. Not sure I'd buy their album but live they are just great fun. Unlike other artists who are great on record but just didn't work live for me.

All the best, Si

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby BullDog » June 27th, 2022, 6:59 pm

I just watched the Paul McCartney set. Wow!

Must be up there as the best ever Glastonbury headline performance. Absolutely stunning.

The Peter Jackson edited clip of John Lennon that McCartney played along to almost brought me to tears. Amazing.

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby Itsallaguess » June 27th, 2022, 7:22 pm

BullDog wrote:
I just watched the Paul McCartney set. Wow!

Must be up there as the best ever Glastonbury headline performance. Absolutely stunning.

The Peter Jackson edited clip of John Lennon that McCartney played along to almost brought me to tears. Amazing.


Agreed - and in terms of pure, joyful, history-induced emotion, then watching that ten-minute crowd-enhanced Hey Jude, along with that last mega-jam between the five main guitarists at the end is going to be something to treasure forever.

McCartney, Grohl, and Springsteen looked like kids again waving those guitars around and showing off - they really were having that much fun.

Awe-inspiring stuff from a true legend, and that's coming from a Lennon man, truth be told...

Cheers,

Itsallaguess
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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby pje16 » June 27th, 2022, 7:23 pm

BullDog wrote:I just watched the Paul McCartney set. Wow!

I saw Macca back in 2008 or 2009 at Earls Court (I think) and he was brilliant
I love the way anyone from aged 8 to 80 knows the words and can sing along to the Beatles songs
There is something magical about that
Thank you Sir Paul

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby Dod101 » June 27th, 2022, 7:58 pm

Reading all of this reminds me of when we were in Las Vegas a few years ago specifically to see Cirque de Soleil playing ‘Love’ for the Beatles. It was and probably still is the most amazing show!

But the Glastonbury Macca show was something else, not all of it of course, but the guy is 80 years old. Basically I was brought up on the Beatles and they changed a generation.

Dod

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby simoan » June 28th, 2022, 12:08 am

I enjoyed the McCartney set far more than I expected, but then I’d “had a few”. Alas, I’m too young for the Beatles to have had much of an effect on me musically, and he’d written all those great songs before he was 29.

Without the Beatles songs I’m not sure he’d have had enough material to keep anyone interested for more than an hour. Maybe he could’ve put in the Frog Chorus, Ebony & Ivory or the greatest dirge of all time - Mull of Kintyre?
Although I enjoyed it I came away wondering why his output for the last 51 years has been so lame. Sorry but that’s my view, not trying to pee on anyones parade.

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby nimnarb » June 28th, 2022, 1:56 am

simoan wrote:I enjoyed the McCartney set far more than I expected, but then I’d “had a few”. Alas, I’m too young for the Beatles to have had much of an effect on me musically, and he’d written all those great songs before he was 29.

Without the Beatles songs I’m not sure he’d have had enough material to keep anyone interested for more than an hour. Maybe he could’ve put in the Frog Chorus, Ebony & Ivory or the greatest dirge of all time - Mull of Kintyre?
Although I enjoyed it I came away wondering why his output for the last 51 years has been so lame. Sorry but that’s my view, not trying to pee on anyones parade.



Blimey Simoan. Yes you certainly had "a few". Are you serious? From one of the greatest Composers, song writers of our time, possibly of all time.

Off the top of my head and in no particular order.

Silly Love Songs. Wings.
Jet. Band on the Run.
Maybe I'm Amazed. McCartney/Wings.
Too Many People. Ram.
Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey. Ram
Band on the Run. McCartney.
Live and Let Die. (yes he wrote that with Linda) Wings. Also a 2018 remaster on the Archives collection.
Here Today. Tug of War album(early 80's I think) Tribute to JL.
Listen to what the man said. Wings.
No more lonely nights, McCartney.
Pipes of Peace. McCartney(i think)
Say, Say, Say, (with Michael Jackson)

And these are just from memory...so many more great songs, not to mention the amount of material he wrote for others.
Oh and Macca played this at Glastonbury, so do yourself a favor and look up on Youtube Paul McCartney's 'My Valentine' Featuring Natalie Portman and Johnny Depp and Clapton video. Pure, Pure Macca. F..in genius.

51 years and output so lame you say! :roll: This old geezer is still making albums and basically hasn't stopped. Some more trivia for you and yes it's during The Beatles but he also wrote.................

“Goodbye” for Mary Hopkins.
"Come and get it" recorded by Badfinger
From a Window, recorded by Billy Kramer and the Dakotas
and "A World without Love" number one hit by Peter and Gordon.

Long Live Paul. Amen. Phew!

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby Dod101 » June 28th, 2022, 8:21 am

simoan wrote:I enjoyed the McCartney set far more than I expected, but then I’d “had a few”. Alas, I’m too young for the Beatles to have had much of an effect on me musically, and he’d written all those great songs before he was 29.

Without the Beatles songs I’m not sure he’d have had enough material to keep anyone interested for more than an hour. Maybe he could’ve put in the Frog Chorus, Ebony & Ivory or the greatest dirge of all time - Mull of Kintyre?
Although I enjoyed it I came away wondering why his output for the last 51 years has been so lame. Sorry but that’s my view, not trying to pee on anyones parade.


I bet McCartney songs have had a much greater effect on you musically than you realise. Anyway I hope your judgement is better in investing than it is in music,

Dod

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Re: Glastonbury 2022

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Postby simoan » June 28th, 2022, 8:37 am

Dod101 wrote:
I bet McCartney songs have had a much greater effect on you musically than you realise. Anyway I hope your judgement is better in investing than it is in music,

Dod

That’s very presumptuous. My parents didn’t own a single Beatles record and my earliest music memories are Glam rock, ABBA, Bowie and then punk. Quite clearly the latter two had a strong effect on me to be individual and not get caught up in groupthink. IMHO thats a good starting point for being a successful investor.

Anyway, it’s a pointless discussion. Obviously, some here are McCartney fans. Obviously, I’m not.


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