ursaminortaur wrote:Even at the peak under Labour in 2007 the net migration figure was only 273,000 .....
I hasten to make the point that the key problem stemming from immigration – in any society, be it the UK or a Papuan tribe – flows from the reluctance, the refusal, or the inability of incomers to integrate with the host community. From lack of integration we get the fragmentation of society, lack of cohesion, the living of parallel lives - and the tensions and chips-on-the-shoulder that grow from these.
Lack of integration is a function of:-
a) the attitudes and dispositions of both incomers and hosts, and
b) the numbers of incomers to be assimilated.
That being so, I suggest that quoting figures for net immigration is not merely irrelevant, it's actually counter-productive, because it hides from us the real numbers of incomers that the host community struggles to digest.
Gross, not net, immigration is what we must look at - that shows the real size of the task, and in the UK gross immigration has been running at about 630,000 pa, i.e. over 2¼ times the size of the problem that ursaminortaur's net figures might indicate.
The 'melting pot' might assimilate 100,000 newcomers a year, but 600,000???
No wonder that 50 years after Powell's speech of warning Prof Ted Cantle is again high-lighting the fragmentation of British society. Powell warned against it in 1968, Cantle in 2001, and Cantle again 2014
From the Guardian, 11 Dec 2001:-
Quote:- "The main points of the Cantle report, commissioned by the home secretary, David Blunkett, after the race riots in Bradford, Oldham and Burnley, were:
· The towns showed a "depth of polarisation" around segregated communities living "a series of parallel lives".
· Further violence is likely if government, police and community leaders fail to break this polarisation.
(End of extract)
Ted Cantle, in the Daily Telegraph, 11 Jun 2014 (my emphasis):-
Quote:- “Thirteen years ago I coined the phrase “parallel lives” to describe the segregation of Asian and white communities in the riot-torn towns of northern England.
“People from different communities did not live in the same areas, work in the same places, or share social and cultural activities.
“More importantly, they did not go to school together.
“My worry is that, as the criticism of schools in the Muslim communities of Birmingham has demonstrated, nothing has changed since my report in 2001.
(End of extract.)
In the battle for societal cohesiveness Britain has shot herself in the foot with two barrels:-
firstly, the various race relations and anti-discrimination laws have blunted the elbows of Britons, who have become afraid to say "boo", and have signalled to incomers that they need not integrate, they may come to Britain and continue to do their own alien thing, and
secondly, successive British politicians, Ministers of Education and faith leaders have worked against the inter-mixing and integration of schoolchildren. This truly is madness.