XFool wrote:mosschops wrote:ap8889 wrote:I am really enjoying the debate, but think it is rewriting history to argue the NSDAP was right wing.
The clue is in the name: it is " Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei"
It was clearly informed by socialist principles: hence the demand that unfortunate citizens subjugate their individual talents and lives to the national collective.
No, it’s the opposite of this, it’s preserving the historiography against what seems to have become an ideological attack. There isn’t really any debate from any serious historian that the Nazis, and Fascism in general, were socialists/of the left.
And later:mosschops wrote:The recent (and it is recent, probably because the generation that fought in the war are dying out) phenomenon of people trying to frame the Nazis as left wing...
I found this a little confusing. Obviously, while understanding that some of the Nazis economic policies sound 'socialist', in today's term, that is hardly what they are remembered for today!
'15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.'
Mind you, they too may have a few 'image problems' due to their version of 'Clause 4':
'4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently, no Jew can be a member of the race.'
But I guess this is just a minor detail in the scale of things...
Trying to attach the term 'Left wing', in today's terms, to the Nazis is simply preposterous! It's like me trying to demonstrate the UK Tory party are 'communists'.
Well! - The 'Conservative Party'; The 'Communist Party'
But the original point you quote isn't saying they were left wing. It is saying that they were not right wing.
The Nazis were neither left wing or right wing. They were Nazis. The Wikipedia link you provided above even says that the Nazis themselves denied being either left or right. (Because they were trying to attract support from both). And that they had factions within, eg the SA under Röhm attracted more socialists and had a more revolutionary socialist agenda.
They had nationalist policies (right-wing) and socialist policies (left-wing). Often mixed together. Social equality, for Germans. Right to employment, for Germans. Socialised old age provision, for Germans. Socialised health care, for Germans. Nationalisation of industry and redistribution of profits, for Germans. Socialised education, for Germans. Etc, etc (for Germans)
As has been mentioned already, left and right isn't a very descriptive way of looking at any complete set of principles. Even Dungeons and Dragons managed to have two axes: Good-Evil, Order-Chaos.
It doesn't really matter and it has little to do with the subject of this thread.