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Re: Trump

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Postby RowdyReptile » November 17th, 2018, 7:27 pm

In the interest of full disclosure, I do not like President Trump. I do not like his manner.

However, what sickens me is that without any shred of proof, and not one real bit of evidence, the democrats still harp on this Russian collusion bs.
Not only is it absolute tripe, but one could make a case that the Democrats over the years have "colluded" with just about anybody that would undermine a Republican administration. Ted Kennedy comes to mind for starters. This so called investigation is going on two years now, and has produced nothing, and it will never produce anything.

Justice Kavanaugh was completely maligned, with no evidence as well. I do not like the R's any more than I like the D's but this kind of thing makes me think the Democrats have no ideas, except failed ones, and have to resort to the lowest of smeer tactics to gain power.

The R's do this as well, so that is why I have given up on both of them. Except for maybe Rand Paul.

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Re: Trump

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Postby ursaminortaur » November 17th, 2018, 10:56 pm

RowdyReptile wrote:In the interest of full disclosure, I do not like President Trump. I do not like his manner.

However, what sickens me is that without any shred of proof, and not one real bit of evidence, the democrats still harp on this Russian collusion bs.
Not only is it absolute tripe, but one could make a case that the Democrats over the years have "colluded" with just about anybody that would undermine a Republican administration. Ted Kennedy comes to mind for starters. This so called investigation is going on two years now, and has produced nothing, and it will never produce anything.

Justice Kavanaugh was completely maligned, with no evidence as well. I do not like the R's any more than I like the D's but this kind of thing makes me think the Democrats have no ideas, except failed ones, and have to resort to the lowest of smeer tactics to gain power.

The R's do this as well, so that is why I have given up on both of them. Except for maybe Rand Paul.

RR


The Watergate investigations took over two years but ended with Nixon resigning and the convictions of a number of his associates.
The investigations into Clinton started in 1994 initially into Whitewater and then into the Monica Lewinsky affair and ended in the impeachment of Clinton in 1998 with him being acquitted of all charges on Feb. 12, 1999.
These things can take a long time.

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Re: Trump

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Postby BobbyD » November 17th, 2018, 11:22 pm

RowdyReptile wrote:This so called investigation is going on two years now, and has produced nothing, and it will never produce anything.


Indicted: 27 people, 3 Companies.

Convicted:

George Papadopoulos

Michael Flynn

Richard Pinedo

Alex Van der Zwaan

Rick Gates

Paul Manafort

Michael Cohen

Samuel Patten

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Re: Trump

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Postby Lootman » November 17th, 2018, 11:25 pm

BobbyD wrote:
RowdyReptile wrote:This so called investigation is going on two years now, and has produced nothing, and it will never produce anything.

Indicted: 27 people, 3 Companies.

Convicted . .

Given that the purpose of the witch hunt is to remove Trump, it is failing.

And of course Trump can pardon anyone convicted. He even claims he can pardon himself :D

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Re: Trump

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Postby RowdyReptile » November 18th, 2018, 3:11 am

I am going to take each of these one at a time. First, the facts.

The only two presidents to be impeached are Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Even Nixon was not impeached. He resigned before the house would do so. Second, being impeached only means the trial moves to the senate. So, even if the democrats impeach Trump, for whatever reason, he more than likely would not be removed from office by the senate.

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What is the over all big picture. When it seemed Hillary Clinton was a shoe in to be elected, the democrats, even the Potus said this..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXpRswM-tzc

Listen to that video. And then watch how that very same Democrat party reacted when they lost.

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Now, I set myself up for using the concept of time as being a factor in these investigations. With Nixon, and even Clinton, there was actual evidence. There is nothing to show Donald Trump colluded with the russians. zero. zip. nada. It amazes me to this day, as the Democrat party usually wants to cozy with the Russians or historically, the soviets, to undermine American strength.

Did not the grand omnisicent Obama chastize his opponent, Mitt Romeny, in 2012, for even suggesting Russia was a threat?

The hypocrisy is blatant, and the democrats are out of fig leaves on this one.

What went on in Broward county of my home state was criminal. It is not partisan politics to say they are cheating, the democrats. They are being criminal and there is more evidence for that than any so called Russian collusion on the part of Trump. Set aside your partisanship for once and look at the evidence.

On the one hand, no evidence to support the charges against Trump...or Justice Kavanaugh as it turned out...but on the other, time and time again a failure to comply with the election law by two counties...again and again.....

Think about it and please try and not excuse people whose politics you prefer, if that is possible.

On this so called russian collusion investigation, it is all stuff and non sense. Honestly, from my perspective, the democrats have wanted to turn over power to the soviets/russians from since I could remember. TEd Kennedy openly underminded Reagan with the Russians during an election year. Blatantly and openly. The left wing of the Democrat party wanted to cut defense and give the soviets the advantage during the cold war. They said in the 2012 election cycle that to think Russia is a threat is backward thinking. Then, when they lose....they seem to change their mind.

While you might not like Trump, you have to be an absolute buffoon left wing lackey to think he was in cahoots with the Russians to do something even the Democrats said could not be done.

Drop the partisanship and think about it. The so called "investigation" is simply a fishing expedition to undo an election the Democrats lost. That is it.

RR

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Re: Trump

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Postby RowdyReptile » November 18th, 2018, 3:28 am

I will be even more blunt. If this where a logical world, the race for govenor of Florida should not have even been close. Desantis should have crushed Gillum. Absolutely crushed him.

The economy of Florida is doing quite well under Republican leadership. We have become the third most populous state, and diversified our economy. We aren't just squeezing oranges down here, ok. Gillum wanted to turn Florida into Illinois, or New York, or New Jersey...a heavy handed control freak of a state that punishes achievement. Then that jagoff would try to implement a state income tax, which would be totally absurd.

Keep your socialist crap in New York and freaking "Joisy". We will blow past them so fast, they will get first degree wind burns, and yeah, we have, but the Democrats want to stop that for some reason.

RR

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Re: Trump

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Postby XFool » November 19th, 2018, 12:10 am

Architect of bin Laden raid: Trump 'threatens the Constitution' when he attacks the media

CNN

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Re: Trump

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Postby zico » November 20th, 2018, 9:39 pm

Trump has released a statement on Saudi Arabia, titled 'The world, so dangerous. Bad!'

Iran are so dangerous and bad, stopping Saudi Arabia bringing peace to Yemen. Iran is just the worst.
Saudi Arabia spend so much money in USA, creating trillions of jobs, all thanks to Trump's brilliant negotiations.

Khashoggi murder was bad, but Saudis will kill the bad guys that did it and anyway Saudis say Khashoggi was enemy of the state. Was the Crown Prince involved? He denies it so strongly but hey who knows, maybe yes, maybe no. Anyway, what's important is Saudis are big friends of USA, and have lots of oil, so they're USA special friends and America First.

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Re: Trump

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Postby redsturgeon » November 21st, 2018, 6:51 am

I found this article fascinating, on why and how Trump lies and why it is dangerous.

https://theconversation.com/lies-damn-l ... uth-106049
Trump is following the authoritarian playbook, characterized by leaders lying, the erosion of public institutions and the consolidation of power. You do not need to convince someone that you are telling the truth when you can simply assert your will over them and dominate their reality.



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Re: Trump

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Postby hiriskpaul » November 21st, 2018, 10:27 am

redsturgeon wrote:I found this article fascinating, on why and how Trump lies and why it is dangerous.

https://theconversation.com/lies-damn-l ... uth-106049
Trump is following the authoritarian playbook, characterized by leaders lying, the erosion of public institutions and the consolidation of power. You do not need to convince someone that you are telling the truth when you can simply assert your will over them and dominate their reality.



John

Shades of 1984 in that article:
O'Brien held up his left hand, its back towards Winston, with the thumb hidden and the four fingers extended.

'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?'

'Four.'

'And if the party says that it is not four but five -- then how many?'

'Four.'

The word ended in a gasp of pain. The needle of the dial had shot up to fifty-five. The sweat had sprung out all over Winston's body. The air tore into his lungs and issued again in deep groans which even by clenching his teeth he could not stop. O'Brien watched him, the four fingers still extended. He drew back the lever. This time the pain was only slightly eased.

'How many fingers, Winston?'

'Four.'

The needle went up to sixty.

'How many fingers, Winston?'

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Re: Trump

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Postby XFool » November 21st, 2018, 10:50 am

redsturgeon wrote:I found this article fascinating, on why and how Trump lies and why it is dangerous.

https://theconversation.com/lies-damn-l ... uth-106049

Very interesting, and worrying. Particularly this quote: “post-truth is pre-fascism.

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Re: Trump

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Postby XFool » November 21st, 2018, 9:28 pm

Yet another take on Trump (from 2016):

Beyond Lying: Donald Trump’s Authoritarian Reality

NY Times

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Re: Trump

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Postby XFool » November 23rd, 2018, 11:04 pm

More on Trump, this time from Hillary Clinton:

US media must 'get smarter' to tackle Trump, says Hillary Clinton

The Guardian

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Re: Trump

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Postby mosschops » November 27th, 2018, 7:30 am

ap8889 wrote:2020 Trump is looking strong for re-election, based on failure of the Blue Wave to make any serious impact, and Trump yet again proving to be an exceptionally good campaign politician.


Now most of the votes are in, this is the largest margin victory ever for either party, beating the GOP lows post Watergate: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/electi ... ms-n940116

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Re: Trump

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Postby mosschops » November 27th, 2018, 9:02 am

It got them the largest ever winning margin. One that looks set to get bigger as GM and other industrials close down more plants in the Midwest, and Trump pushes for an oil price cut when the US might start to export in real volume again. The states that swung to Trump look to have moved decisively blue again in places like Michigan, and states like Texas, Florida and Georgia all look to be in play. They can’t win elections that haven’t taken place, but this was a big win for the Democrats.

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Re: Trump

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Postby JamesMuenchen » November 27th, 2018, 12:19 pm

mosschops wrote:It got them the largest ever winning margin. One that looks set to get bigger as GM and other industrials close down more plants in the Midwest, and Trump pushes for an oil price cut when the US might start to export in real volume again. The states that swung to Trump look to have moved decisively blue again in places like Michigan, and states like Texas, Florida and Georgia all look to be in play. They can’t win elections that haven’t taken place, but this was a big win for the Democrats.

Of course they're trying to spin it as a great victory, but in reality it's thin gruel for the Dems if you look at the historical record:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... of_midterm

How did other recent presidents do in the House in their first mid-term?
Reagan: 166 seats from 43.4% of the popular vote
Clinton: 204 seats from 44.8% of the popular vote
W Bush: 229 seats from 50% of the popular vote
Obama: 193 seats from 44.9% of the popular vote

Trump: 200 seats from 45.2% of the popular vote

Of course, they all went on to win a second term.
I wouldn't bet against Trump doing the same based on the one single stat they can find to make it look exceptional.

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Re: Trump

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Postby XFool » November 29th, 2018, 8:33 pm

Shock horror! Trump accuses somebody of LYING. :lol:

Michael Cohen in court: Trump ex-lawyer admits lying to Congress

BBC News

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Re: Trump

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Postby BobbyD » November 29th, 2018, 9:44 pm

XFool wrote:Shock horror! Trump accuses somebody of LYING. :lol:

Michael Cohen in court: Trump ex-lawyer admits lying to Congress

BBC News


Just partisan flim flam though, absolutely nothing to do with Trumps relationship with Russia...

Michael Cohen pleads guilty to lying to Congress over Trump project in Russia
Former legal fixer said Trump continued trying to develop tower in Moscow months into presidential campaign

...Cohen made his disclosure as he pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about the Moscow project. He said he made false statements to hinder the Trump-Russia investigation and to protect Trump, who was identified in court as “Individual 1”.

“I made these statements to be consistent with Individual 1’s political messaging and out of loyalty with Individual 1,” Cohen told the federal court in Manhattan on Thursday morning, after signing a plea agreement with Mueller. He did not say if Trump directed him to lie.



- https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... estigation

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Re: Trump

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Postby XFool » December 6th, 2018, 6:00 pm

Trump says he doesn't care about predicted US national debt explosion because ‘I won't be here’

The Independent

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Re: Trump

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Postby BobbyD » December 7th, 2018, 12:01 am

XFool wrote:Trump says he doesn't care about predicted US national debt explosion because ‘I won't be here’

The Independent


Unfortunately that's won't be there after having served 2 terms, it's not an indication that he won't be running again or feels he is likely to be detained elsewhere...


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