SteMiS wrote: djbenedict wrote:
Lootman wrote:OK, so since people change their minds all the time, you want constant votes on this, going on in perpetuity?
With us presumably bouncing in and out of the EU, seemingly on a whim? That's your vision for our future?
There is a demographically-driven shift towards remain that makes bouncing out very unlikely. In rough numbers there are 0.5M new voters added each year and 0.5M old people die. Generally young people prefer remain, so the minority for leaving (17.4M out of a voting-age population of about 46M) will get smaller and smaller over time. I don't know why people have trouble accepting this.
The explanation generally given is that people become more Eurosceptic as they grow holder. So your effect is supposedly offset by a conversion of people from Remain to Leave as they pass the age of 50. Why that should be the case is never really justified other than drawing a comparison with the drift rightward of people's views as they get older. On the other hand, computer use is lower amongst the old but we don't expect the younger generation to start giving up their computers as they get older. In many ways that's actually a better analogy...
It may be that as one becomes older one tends (well some) to be more financially stable, so the impact of say poor UK economic performance would individually possibly be less.
Whilst I think Brexit is a poor decision at the end of the day at age 58, having been earning money and saving since 16, I am really not at risk of say unemployment resulting from the say postulated possible 8% GDP reduction meaning I will be at risk of losing my house due to say mortgage affordability issues. Whilst a poor economy may mean we have less to spend on treats etc in retirement, car replacement may be less frequent, fewer meals out and foreign holidays restricted, the impact will not be a disaster for those who have had a working life to accumulate assets,wealth, pension funds etc.
This may be part of the reason older people are as a group more sanguine about economic downsides, it is a risk equation.
From a younger perspective, say my son, right now he is waiting to see what happens before long term committing to project UK, his savings that could have him buying a flat this year are very much parked- of course he is one of the lucky ones, age 27, software developer billing out circa £90,000 p.a., so re his age cohort a very high earner, a lot of others, like my daughter still studying, have a far less rosy future, the only meaningful advice we can give her is stick with her Msc, obtain Chartered status to give international opportunities re where she subsequently works/lives, a qualification that has hopefully world appeal and cross border recognition, and go with the flow.
This is in effect in part a "haves" and "have nots" equation and whilst a lot of over 50s are also "have nots" a fair few have, on paper, in their own eyes, through home ownership and pension rights, become "haves". What we have, in part, is a further inter generational war.