johnhemming wrote:Which is why we really need an electoral system that enables people to vote for parties they want to get elected rather than voting against those who they wish to prevent winning.
Agreed, but you tried that one with the perfidious Conservatives.
The only way the self interested Labour and Conservative parties are going to play ball re electoral reform is when the electorate convinces them that they are very unlikely to get anywhere with FPTP, the Liberals and their predecessors ought to be able to fill that role, I had hope for them in the early 1980s when listening to David Steel speak at Edinburgh University a few weeks after the "go back to your constituencies and prepare for government speech", but sorry, you are serial disapointers, the party at grass roots has too many pet little projects amongst groups, it lacks steel, and the decision to go into coalition with the Conservatives was politically inept, you would have done far better agreeing support on a conscience/belief basis, being true to your voters, than what you did- the price has been painful.
Whilst I do not agree with the end goal of the Nats, and still gaze in wonder at how they can adapt their message across very different sections of Scottish society, poor and comfortably off, they have steel, political nous, a near dictatorship over their MPs and MSPs that has brought them results, I suspect I would see hell freezing over before they entered an arrangement with the Conservatives.
I am afraid a new, harder, determined centre party is needed, as both the others peel left and right there is a void, but it needs to be a conviction party re core beliefs that sticks to its guns, it needs to be capable of disarming the Nats in Scotland and appealing to the centre ground in England, a tall ask. The alternative is a solely English (and Welsh) centre party, which then has less need to modify its message re up here, but parties splitting by geography have a fair chance of splitting up the UK- the federal idea could work but right now convincing the English that regional blocks is the way to go is a non starter.
As a start, peeling the Scottish Conservatives, Labour and Liberals from the whip in Westminster might be an idea, not sure why the Scottish Conservatives are being so quiet re Brexit (after a flurry of dissent) but imho if they back May's deal or allow No Deal they can kiss goodbye to all progress made in recent years in Scotland- same, to a degree with Labour, if Corbyn will not take a strong position and No Deal slips into play, they are plummeting back down a snake when they have just managed a small ascent up a ladder, the Nats will eat both of them alive.
The Liberals ought to be able to make capital up here as a Remain party but they are invisible- did you send Willie Rennie on holiday?