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SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby ursaminortaur » June 13th, 2018, 1:23 pm

The SNP have walked out of Parliament following the barring of their leader in Parliament Ian Blackford over his complaints about the lack of a debate about devolved powers and brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/jun/13/brexit-parliament-wont-be-allowed-to-take-charge-of-talks-in-no-deal-scenario-minister-tells-tory-rebels-politics-live?page=with:block-5b21086ee4b02fa070a11c82#block-5b21086ee4b02fa070a11c82

Bercow said he was suspending the party leader for the rest of the day following his “repeated refusal” to take his seat when told to do so.
Blackford called for the Commons to sit in private when he was called to ask a question during the weekly PMQs session.
He said the people of Scotland had not been given the courtesy of proper debate on Brexit issues that will affect them during a debate on Tuesday night.
Bercow said it would be better to deal with the issue at the end of the question session.
The SNP leader repeatedly objected and refused to return to his seat.
Bercow told him “in light of the persistent and repeated refusal of the Right Honourable gentleman to resume his seat when so instructed” he was banning him for the rest of the day.

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby Snorvey » June 13th, 2018, 1:34 pm

What an embarrassment.

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby Dod101 » June 13th, 2018, 1:35 pm

For whom?

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby Snorvey » June 13th, 2018, 1:41 pm

For Scotland. For the SNP (although I don't suppose they care)

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby ursaminortaur » June 13th, 2018, 1:54 pm

Snorvey wrote:For Scotland. For the SNP (although I don't suppose they care)


Probably not surprising but Nicola Sturgeon has backed Ian Blackford

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/973652/nicola-sturgeon-ian-blackford-pmqs-SNP-walk-out-kicked-out-parliament

The SNP leader and First Minister of Scotland, claimed Scotland was being treated with “contempt” by Westminster.
She tweeted: Right behind @IanBlackfordMP and @theSNP MPs.
“Scotland and @ScotParl are being treated with contempt by Westminster and it needs to be highlighted.”
Mr Blackford was trying to force a vote to secure Scottish devolution, demanding the house sat in private to carry out the vote, sparking chaos in the Commons.


At the very least this indicates the depth of feeling over the consititutional crisis which has developed over the repatriation of powers back to Westminister from brexit which the Scottish parliament believes should go back to itself.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44467306

The EU Withdrawal Bill is a key plank of the government's Brexit strategy, aiming to ensure a smooth transition on Brexit day when EU law no applies in the UK.
But the Scottish Parliament has refused to give its consent to the legislation, saying policy in devolved areas that is currently decided in Brussels is being reclaimed by Westminster.
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The Brexit bill says that the "vast majority" of the 158 areas where policy in devolved areas is currently decided in Brussels will go directly to the Scottish and Welsh parliaments after Brexit.
But it has also named 24 areas where it wants to retain power temporarily in the wake of Britain's exit from the EU, including in areas such as agriculture, fisheries, food labelling and public procurement.

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby Ashfordian » June 13th, 2018, 2:14 pm

Why does this not surprise me?

Because this again demonstrates the childish actions taken by those on the losing side of the referendum.

The losers, in both the referendum and the election, need to accept that they have lost and because of that have no decision making power.

The current actions of the losers is dragging politics further into the gutter and disenfranchising the electorate.

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby Lootman » June 13th, 2018, 2:37 pm

ursaminortaur wrote:At the very least this indicates the depth of feeling over the consititutional crisis which has developed over the repatriation of powers back to Westminister from brexit which the Scottish parliament believes should go back to itself.

OK, so their feelings are hurt? That's the great crime here?

Obviously the buck stops with Westminster and there are all kinds of decisions that are made in London that affect Scotland, particularly with regard to foreign affairs and defence. Why would the SNP think otherwise?

Equally obviously Scotland cannot remain in the EU or have a different deal from the rest of the UK.

In the end Scotland is just a region with a certain amount of local autonomy. The voters there had their chance to run all their affairs and the SNP failed to convince the voters, just like the Remain campaign failed to convince us here.

I did enjoy the reaction of the Tories to the walkout, however. A collective chorus of "BYE!" (And presumably an implied "good riddance" muttered under their breath).

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby ursaminortaur » June 13th, 2018, 3:01 pm

Lootman wrote:
ursaminortaur wrote:At the very least this indicates the depth of feeling over the consititutional crisis which has developed over the repatriation of powers back to Westminister from brexit which the Scottish parliament believes should go back to itself.

OK, so their feelings are hurt? That's the great crime here?

Obviously the buck stops with Westminster and there are all kinds of decisions that are made in London that affect Scotland, particularly with regard to foreign affairs and defence. Why would the SNP think otherwise?


Under the current devolution settlement these powers which are being returned should belong to the devolved administrations not to Westminister. Even the government agree that is the case and only want to retain them at Westminister "temporarily". However that temporary could be upto 7 years. Though of course another worry is that temporary arrangements often somehow morph into more permanent arrangements.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44467306


The Brexit bill says that the "vast majority" of the 158 areas where policy in devolved areas is currently decided in Brussels will go directly to the Scottish and Welsh parliaments after Brexit.
But it has also named 24 areas where it wants to retain power temporarily in the wake of Britain's exit from the EU, including in areas such as agriculture, fisheries, food labelling and public procurement.
It says the "temporary restriction" on the devolved governments using some of the powers returning from the EU is needed "to help ensure an orderly departure from EU law" and allow the same rule and regulations to remain in place across the whole of the UK.
But the Scottish government argues that it would leave Holyrood unable to pass laws in some devolved areas for up to seven years.


This isn't a case of hurt feelings but is seen by the SNP and Holyrood as a Westminister/Tory power grab weakening devolution.

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby Dod101 » June 13th, 2018, 3:13 pm

I am Scottish and live in Scotland. The SNP walk out is to me simply 'Good riddance.' I certainly do not see it as an embarrassment to Scotland as a whole. It is childish and silly.

The whole Brexit business is so complicated as it is that the SNP should be big enough to see that the Westminster Government cannot keep saying 'This bit is for you, this for us', right through the Bill. It will get sorted out in due course. It is the UK that is leaving the EU, not England or Scotland or the other constituent bits.

The SNP in any case are barely using the powers that they have, except for throwing money (which they do not have) around. They are in a minority and they need to recognise that not everyone in Scotland loves them.

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby kiloran » June 13th, 2018, 3:56 pm

Ashfordian wrote:Why does this not surprise me?

Because this again demonstrates the childish actions taken by those on the losing side of the referendum.

The losers, in both the referendum and the election, need to accept that they have lost and because of that have no decision making power.

The current actions of the losers is dragging politics further into the gutter and disenfranchising the electorate.

If you lived in Scotland, you would know that this has nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit. It was just another opportunity for the SNP to air a grudge and stoke up the "Westminster isn't fair to Scotland" argument. They'll bleat that the only solution is independance.

--kiloran

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby beeswax » June 13th, 2018, 4:23 pm

This shows how ridiculous the SNP are when they have allowed 158 areas. 158 to be devolved to foreign powers in Brussels and have voted to keep that in the Brexit vote and yet they try and argue they want independence from England and whenever that was put to Salmond and now Sturgeon they fail to answer it..

And so they vote against Brexit in Parliament and then demand that powers are repatriated to Holyrood?

Are these people real are are they card board cut outs?

It also shows how the UK Politicians have acted with treason by allowing all these areas to be decided by foreign powers which is contrary to our Bill of Rights won centuries ago..

And even more stupid is the current debate about Parliamentary Sovereignty when they allowed all this to happen without a whimper...Where was the Tory rebels then like Dominic Grieve...

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby Ashfordian » June 13th, 2018, 6:44 pm

If this is the maturity level of the SNP it is no wonder the government would be having second thoughts in handing out devolved powers...

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby dspp » June 13th, 2018, 9:21 pm

But handing out the odd £1bn here or there to the DUP is OK then ....

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby Lootman » June 13th, 2018, 10:07 pm

dspp wrote:But handing out the odd £1bn here or there to the DUP is OK then ....

And Corbyn would not bung the SNP ten times that if it meant he could grab power?

Although no money was paid to the DUP. It was added to the NI budget.

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby kenko92 » June 14th, 2018, 9:50 am

And the SNP gained 1500 new members yesterday.
Scotland is not a colony.

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby Dod101 » June 14th, 2018, 9:54 am

kenko92 wrote:Scotland is not a colony.


I don't think anyone said it was and that is why it is entitled to send Members to the Westminster Parliament. Unfortunately for them though the SNP are in a minority at Westminster just as they are at Holyrood.

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby ursaminortaur » June 14th, 2018, 11:04 am

Dod101 wrote:
kenko92 wrote:Scotland is not a colony.


I don't think anyone said it was and that is why it is entitled to send Members to the Westminster Parliament. Unfortunately for them though the SNP are in a minority at Westminster just as they are at Holyrood.

Dod


The SNP are the largest party with 62 seats at Holyrood though, as with the Tory's in Westminister, they don't have an overall majority. The party with the next largest number of seats at Holyrood are the Conservatives with 31 seats.

http://www.parliament.scot/msps/12450.aspx

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby kenko92 » June 14th, 2018, 1:08 pm

SNP has now gained 5085 new members in last 24 hours.
Scotland is not happy.

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby Dod101 » June 14th, 2018, 1:13 pm

The SNP has never been happy and Kiloran is I am sure correct that this staged walk out was to stir up the grudge factor. It also helps to avoid focus on the shortcomings of the SNP. Do not equate a few thousand SNP fanatics with Scotland as a whole. In all the polling there has never been a majority in favour of independence.

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Re: SNP walk out of Parliament during PMQs

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Postby vrdiver » June 14th, 2018, 1:22 pm

kenko92 wrote:SNP has now gained 5085 new members in last 24 hours.
Scotland is not happy.

Interesting. I don't suppose you have access to the daily (weekly, monthly, whatever) membership totals over the last 10 years or so? Would be good to see how the SNP support waxes and wanes over time and against various political backdrops.

Announcing the high joining rates now is setting up for a fall if this support evaporates. Will they still announce membership rates in decline?


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