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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby XFool » June 15th, 2018, 8:50 pm

ap8889 wrote:"What, in all the world, could bring the greatest happiness?"
"The open steppe, a clear day, and a swift horse under you," responded the officer after a little thought, "and a falcon on your wrist to start up hares."
"Nay," responded the Khan, "to crush your enemies, to see them fall at your feet — to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women. That is best."


Just a thread open to express joy in our impending exit from the EU and equally, take pleasure in the crushing of our ideological opponents, those sundered from their dying dream of ever closer union, a Europe united under petty Belgian bureaucrats.

Brexit supporters feel free to gather. Remainers, please feel free to make our glorying in your defeat hard (hopefully like Brexit!).

A view of the world (and other people) from the perspective of a hard Brexiteer.

Over time, the more I have read posts on here by hard Brexiteers the more apparent it seems that there is something passing strange in the outlook of many supporters of hard Brexit. Their position seems to owe little to reasoned arguments, due consideration of facts or concerns over governance. Rather it seems to arise from some strange internal and irrational animus towards various others.

Reason doesn't live here anymore.

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby vrdiver » June 15th, 2018, 8:54 pm

There's Hard Brex, Soft Brex and Glamour Brex. I suspect all you're going to get is a bit of Mrs May flaunting a swimsuit.

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby csearle » June 15th, 2018, 9:12 pm

vrdiver wrote:There's Hard Brex, Soft Brex and Glamour Brex. I suspect all you're going to get is a bit of Mrs May flaunting a swimsuit.
Ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, had a good chuckle at that, thanks. :D. C.

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby Charlottesquare » June 15th, 2018, 9:17 pm

There are also quite a few different positions that can be enjoyed in the Joy of Brex, our government keep changing their mind re which gives them the most satisfaction.

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby tjh290633 » June 15th, 2018, 9:36 pm

ap8889 wrote:Why bother with reason? We know humans are irrational, emotional and unreasonable. Project Fear appealed to the emotions and failed to gain traction. Leave offered hope of change . That's why this victory feels particularly good: Hope and pride beat craven clutching fear.

There are plenty of reasons to be joyful.

No more unelected, undemocratic, unaccountable Commission.

Control of our borders, fisheries and agriculture regained.

We can set our own standards and regulations to suit our own needs and conditions.

We can organise taxes and duties to suit our own finances.

We can cooperate with whoever we want in our mutual interests.

We do not have to pay for services which we do not need.

That's enough to be getting on with.

TJH

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby BobbyD » June 16th, 2018, 7:00 am

Charlottesquare wrote:There are also quite a few different positions that can be enjoyed in the Joy of Brex, our government keep changing their mind re which gives them the most satisfaction.


The government can dilly and dally all it likes deciding what it wants, what it is going to get is '37. Helpless Maiden Over a Barrel'.

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby Sundance13 » June 16th, 2018, 10:45 am

tjh290633 wrote:
ap8889 wrote:Why bother with reason? We know humans are irrational, emotional and unreasonable. Project Fear appealed to the emotions and failed to gain traction. Leave offered hope of change . That's why this victory feels particularly good: Hope and pride beat craven clutching fear.

There are plenty of reasons to be joyful.

No more unelected, undemocratic, unaccountable Commission.

You’ve still not our undemocratic, largely unaccountable Govt though.

Control of our borders, fisheries and agriculture regained.

Yahoo, now we can control EU migration numbers just as effectively as we do non EU migration.

We can set our own standards and regulations to suit our own needs and conditions.

Not if we want to trade with the rest of the world.

We can organise taxes and duties to suit our own finances.

Largely do that already

We can cooperate with whoever we want in our mutual interests.

We do that already

We do not have to pay for services which we do not need.

What services would they be then? I can see we are setting up lots of extra bureaucracy? red tape etc, that we didn’t need before.

That's enough to be getting on with.

There’s plenty more than that we’ll need to get on with.

TJH

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby Spet0789 » June 16th, 2018, 11:12 am

The fact that this thread starts with a quote attributed variously to Genghis Khan or Conan the Barbarian suggests much!

Brexit isn’t the final campaign of World War 2.

As I have said many times before, I’m absolutely not blind to the faults of the EU. God knows all institutions including our own have faults.

I just know (and my certainty only grows every week) that the complexity and trauma of this separation will weaken us for a couple of decades or so before any of the putitative benefits will begin to bear fruit. For most people of working age, that’s a rubbish outcome.

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby Spet0789 » June 16th, 2018, 11:19 am

ap8889 wrote:
Sundance13 wrote:
tjh290633 wrote:There are plenty of reasons to be joyful.

No more unelected, undemocratic, unaccountable Commission.

You’ve still not our undemocratic, largely unaccountable Govt though.

Control of our borders, fisheries and agriculture regained.

Yahoo, now we can control EU migration numbers just as effectively as we do non EU migration.

We can set our own standards and regulations to suit our own needs and conditions.

Not if we want to trade with the rest of the world.

We can organise taxes and duties to suit our own finances.

Largely do that already

We can cooperate with whoever we want in our mutual interests.

We do that already

We do not have to pay for services which we do not need.

What services would they be then? I can see we are setting up lots of extra bureaucracy? red tape etc, that we didn’t need before.

That's enough to be getting on with.

There’s plenty more than that we’ll need to get on with.

TJH


I think we hooked a live one! A challenger steps forward.

I would describe paying £350 million per week in part to meet Mr Barniers and Mr Junkers salaries as a service we don't need.


Do we need our medicines, cars, airlines and so on to be approved? We used to get that all for our £180m odd a week. Now we will have to pay for it ourselves. That may be worthwhile but don’t pretend that all of that money (not much in the grand scheme) can be showered on the NHS. We’re hiring civil servants left and right to deal with this mess.

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby dspp » June 16th, 2018, 11:43 am

Aren't you counting your chickens a tad early ?
- dspp

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby ursaminortaur » June 16th, 2018, 12:04 pm

Express seems to be waking upto the brexit negotiation problems

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/975137/brexit-news-law-october-deal-theresa-may-uk-eu-brussels

Brexit deal MUST be reached by October or UK could be left in legal limbo, ministers warn
CABINET ministers have privately admitted Britain will sink into a legal abyss if it fails to reach a Brexit deal with Brussels by October, according to reports.

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby XFool » June 16th, 2018, 12:54 pm

ap8889 wrote:Weakness? This is strength. In the film Conan the Barbarian is defeated by Thulsa Doom and witnesses a girl willingly jump to her doom to demonstrate that flesh is stronger than steel. Conan is then crucified on the tree of woe. And for Remainers, that is the story of Brexit, Britain ensorcelled, jumping to certain death, with themselves nailed to an agonising outcome.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P2EQ0FlVks4

They forget that Conan lives through that ordeal and returns stronger than before, rising to a great victory, recovering his father's sword, burning the temple of his enemies and escaping with the princess.

That is the story Leave can tell. We have gone some way to redeeming our forefathers defeat over sovereignty, and have lit the spark that will eventually burn the grotesque edifice occupied by the arcane priesthood of the EU. A little bit of jumping into the unknown, and a short period of woe are part of the journey. Just need to find a princess and the story will be completed.

I always felt Brexit was something of a fantasy project. Now we know the truth!

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby ursaminortaur » June 16th, 2018, 12:58 pm

ap8889 wrote::D

Just like I said, hard Brexit is the default setting, and barring some concessions from the rEU, it's what we are going to get. This puts Leave in a strong position as any damage to the UK can be blamed forevermore on EU intransigence and bad will.

I can hear the lamentations of the defeated already. You know a hard Brexit will poison UK-EU relations for a generation, cementing Leaves victory.


So you are happy that the UK is heading for a legal abyss ?

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby Sundance13 » June 16th, 2018, 1:26 pm

ap8889 wrote:
Sundance13 wrote:
tjh290633 wrote:There are plenty of reasons to be joyful.

No more unelected, undemocratic, unaccountable Commission.

You’ve still not our undemocratic, largely unaccountable Govt though.

Control of our borders, fisheries and agriculture regained.

Yahoo, now we can control EU migration numbers just as effectively as we do non EU migration.

We can set our own standards and regulations to suit our own needs and conditions.

Not if we want to trade with the rest of the world.

We can organise taxes and duties to suit our own finances.

Largely do that already

We can cooperate with whoever we want in our mutual interests.

We do that already

We do not have to pay for services which we do not need.

What services would they be then? I can see we are setting up lots of extra bureaucracy? red tape etc, that we didn’t need before.

That's enough to be getting on with.

There’s plenty more than that we’ll need to get on with.

TJH


I think we hooked a live one! A challenger steps forward.

I would describe paying £350 million per week in part to meet Mr Barniers and Mr Junkers salaries as a service we don't need.



Not really, it took me 2 minutes to rip apart the various benefits/upsides you mention, if I’d taken 5 minutes I could’ve really gone to town, but Brexit for the likes of AP and Ashfordian is a religion, so pointing out the numerous flaws in comments made by them is just not worth the bother!

I do think you’re premature celebrating though, although a crash out Brexit is quite possible, I’d say an ongoing vassal state transition period is more likely. That means years of BINO, still making budget contributions, answerable to ECJ, free movement etc, but frozen out of the decision making process. Who knows what happens after that, possibly EEA, or an association agreement or even back in the EU.

All you and the other Brexit Ultras will have succeeded in doing, is damaging the economy and leaving us with the humiliation of being an EU colony, well done guys.

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby Charlottesquare » June 16th, 2018, 1:38 pm

ap8889 wrote:Fantasy? This is the moment to break into song: Cue Gabrielle...

Dreams can come true
Look at me babe I'm with you
You know you gotta have hope
You know you gotta be strong
....

;)


Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality.

Open your eyes,
Look up to the skies and see,
I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy,
Because I'm easy come, easy go,
Little high, little low,
Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to me, to me.

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby Sundance13 » June 16th, 2018, 1:42 pm

ap8889 wrote:Well, I took 30 seconds to dash off my most obvious facile rebuttal. I win.

My thirty second rebuttal is both valid and vote winning with the public who must be looking at the whole Brussels gang wondering: Why are we paying for these antagonistic suits who seem to be trying to harm us?



Your 30 second rebuttal would barely pass an eleven plus exam! Brexiteers obsess with the net budget contribution, even though it represents a tiny fraction (circa 1%) of overall Govt spend, also ignores the fact that membership of the CU/SM delivers economic benefits that far exceed the payments. Even Davis/Bakers own Brexit Dept were unable to evidence any economic benefit from leaving.

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby Sundance13 » June 16th, 2018, 1:49 pm

ap8889 wrote:
Sundance13 wrote: All you and the other Brexit Ultras will have succeeded in doing, is damaging the economy and leaving us with the humiliation of being an EU colony, well done guys.


If that is the outcome then we will have demonstrated something about the EU system that I think will lead to its eventual failure. That the EU would clearly be happy to treat as colonial serfs in that way demonstrates exactly why we are right to attempt to leave.


No, any colony status will be wholly the result of hard Brexiteers like yourself, pursuing a fantasy Brexit, completely undeliverable in the real world, yet refusing to compromise, despite your position being supported by a minority of the population (albeit a fairly sizeable minority). Whether it’s a crash out or a vassal state that awaits us, either option will be a complete humiliation for our country.

My only hope is there is a day of reckoning down the line for the likes of Rees Mogg, Redwood and co, where they can be held to account for the damage they have done.

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby Sundance13 » June 16th, 2018, 2:02 pm

ap8889 wrote:
Charlottesquare wrote:
ap8889 wrote:Fantasy? This is the moment to break into song: Cue Gabrielle...

Dreams can come true
Look at me babe I'm with you
You know you gotta have hope
You know you gotta be strong
....

;)


Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality.

Open your eyes,
Look up to the skies and see,
I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy,
Because I'm easy come, easy go,
Little high, little low,
Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to me, to me.


I knew Brexit would be joyous! I am definitely drunk enough for a karaoke duet!


Think this should be the hard Brexit anthem:

I am an anti-Christ
I am an anarchist
Don't know what I want
But I know how to get it
I want to destroy the passerby
'Cause I want to be anarchy
No dogs body
Anarchy for the U.K.
It's coming sometime and maybe
I give a wrong time, stop a traffic line
Your future dream has sure been seen through

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby Charlottesquare » June 16th, 2018, 4:25 pm

Sundance13 wrote:
ap8889 wrote:
Charlottesquare wrote:
Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality.

Open your eyes,
Look up to the skies and see,
I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy,
Because I'm easy come, easy go,
Little high, little low,
Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to me, to me.


I knew Brexit would be joyous! I am definitely drunk enough for a karaoke duet!


Think this should be the hard Brexit anthem:

I am an anti-Christ
I am an anarchist
Don't know what I want
But I know how to get it
I want to destroy the passerby
'Cause I want to be anarchy
No dogs body
Anarchy for the U.K.
It's coming sometime and maybe
I give a wrong time, stop a traffic line
Your future dream has sure been seen through


Or from the alternative viewpoint-


You say you got a real solution
Well you know
we'd all love to see the plan

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Re: The Joy of Brex

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Postby Charlottesquare » June 16th, 2018, 4:28 pm

Charlottesquare wrote:
Sundance13 wrote:
ap8889 wrote:
I knew Brexit would be joyous! I am definitely drunk enough for a karaoke duet!


Think this should be the hard Brexit anthem:

I am an anti-Christ
I am an anarchist
Don't know what I want
But I know how to get it
I want to destroy the passerby
'Cause I want to be anarchy
No dogs body
Anarchy for the U.K.
It's coming sometime and maybe
I give a wrong time, stop a traffic line
Your future dream has sure been seen through


Or from the alternative viewpoint-


You say you got a real solution
Well you know
we'd all love to see the plan


And perhaps:-

It's sad, so sad
It's a sad, sad situation
And it's getting more and more absurd
It's sad, so sad
Why can't we talk it over
Oh it seems to me
That sorry seems to be the hardest word


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