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It's Still Brexit

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby BobbyD » July 17th, 2019, 7:38 pm

Wizard wrote:
BobbyD wrote:
ursaminortaur wrote:
As I understand it the proposal is for all EU states to have a minimum wage set to 60% of each of their own median wages rather than to have a single amount set as a minimum wage for the whole EU.


If only we had a veto...

We are either out in which case it is irrelevant. Alternatively if we are in, from your comment I presume we would have one, is that right?


It is, which is why this is little more than scaremongering.

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby Wizard » July 17th, 2019, 9:00 pm

BobbyD wrote:
Wizard wrote:
BobbyD wrote:
If only we had a veto...

We are either out in which case it is irrelevant. Alternatively if we are in, from your comment I presume we would have one, is that right?


It is, which is why this is little more than scaremongering.

But the intent of the incoming Commission Chair is clear, make more decisions at the EU level.

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby ursaminortaur » July 17th, 2019, 9:52 pm

Wizard wrote:
BobbyD wrote:
Wizard wrote:We are either out in which case it is irrelevant. Alternatively if we are in, from your comment I presume we would have one, is that right?


It is, which is why this is little more than scaremongering.

But the intent of the incoming Commission Chair is clear, make more decisions at the EU level.


The purpose of the Commission is to look at things from the perspective of the EU as a whole rather than from the perspective of the citizens (which is the purpose of the EU parliament) or the member states (which is the purpose of the Council). Hence it isn't surprising that Commission presidents tend to take the view that more decisions should be taken at the EU level - however the Commission president has no power to force such changes. To get anything done the Commission president has to get the approval of both the EU parliament and the Council.

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby XFool » July 18th, 2019, 12:42 am

Oh dear!

Timmermans: UK ran around 'like idiots' in Brexit negotiations

BBC News

See Panorama: 'Britain's Brexit Crisis'. 9pm BBC 1, Thursday night.

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby BobbyD » July 18th, 2019, 4:42 am

XFool wrote:Oh dear!

Timmermans: UK ran around 'like idiots' in Brexit negotiations

BBC News

See Panorama: 'Britain's Brexit Crisis'. 9pm BBC 1, Thursday night.


I think you missed the best bit out!

Prior to the start of negotiations, Timmermans said the EU side had expected the British — with their reputation for having a highly efficient civil service — to be “so brilliant” in their approach to the talks.

They expected that “in some vault somewhere in Westminster there will be a Harry Potter-like book with all the tricks and all the things in it to do,” he said.

But he added: “And then the first time I saw public utterances by David Davis and I saw him not coming [to Brussels], not negotiating, grandstanding elsewhere I thought: ‘Oh my God, they haven’t got a plan, they haven’t got a plan’.

“That was really shocking frankly, because the damage if you don’t have a plan — you know, we see it — time’s running out and you don’t have a plan, it’s like Lance Corporal Jones — you know, ‘Don’t panic, don’t panic’, running around like idiots.”


https://www.politico.eu/article/frans-t ... haracters/

Who do you think you are kidding Mr Barnier...

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby XFool » July 18th, 2019, 9:21 am

Meanwhile, are we starting to see how, under a Boris Johnson premiership, the future shape of the UK and its relation to the EU?

Boris Johnson waves smoked kipper during Tory debate

The Independent

Perhaps his 'cunning plan' is to turn the UK into a living embodiment of a Monty Python sketch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8XeDvKqI4E

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby Quint » July 18th, 2019, 9:32 am

BobbyD wrote:
XFool wrote:Oh dear!

Timmermans: UK ran around 'like idiots' in Brexit negotiations

BBC News

See Panorama: 'Britain's Brexit Crisis'. 9pm BBC 1, Thursday night.


I think you missed the best bit out!

Prior to the start of negotiations, Timmermans said the EU side had expected the British — with their reputation for having a highly efficient civil service — to be “so brilliant” in their approach to the talks.

They expected that “in some vault somewhere in Westminster there will be a Harry Potter-like book with all the tricks and all the things in it to do,” he said.

But he added: “And then the first time I saw public utterances by David Davis and I saw him not coming [to Brussels], not negotiating, grandstanding elsewhere I thought: ‘Oh my God, they haven’t got a plan, they haven’t got a plan’.

“That was really shocking frankly, because the damage if you don’t have a plan — you know, we see it — time’s running out and you don’t have a plan, it’s like Lance Corporal Jones — you know, ‘Don’t panic, don’t panic’, running around like idiots.”


https://www.politico.eu/article/frans-t ... haracters/

Who do you think you are kidding Mr Barnier...

I read that article. The true level of the failure of Mrs May becomes more apparent as each day passes.

Brexit means Brexit and we have no idea how we are going to do it.

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby XFool » July 18th, 2019, 11:39 am

Johnson and Hunt told no-deal Brexit 'threat to research'

BBC News

But hey! Who needs 'research'? What has 'research' ever done for us?

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby XFool » July 18th, 2019, 1:02 pm

No-deal could cause £30bn economic hit, watchdog says

[url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49027889]BBC News[/url]

One of the Comments to the article says it all:

"No-deal could cause £30bn economic hit, watchdog says". By my reckoning, by not coughing up the divorce bill, that means we'll be £9 billion better off. Do the maths. Let's leave the Evil Union.

'Do the maths' - Yeah, 'Maths for Idiots'. And they tell us Brexit voters all "Knew what they were doing"...

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby zico » July 18th, 2019, 1:35 pm

And they tell us Brexit voters all "Knew what they were doing"


Interesting quote on Twitter from James O'Brien, the LBC talk show host.

A year ago when I started explaining, repeatedly, why we were heading toward no deal or no Brexit the angriest denials came from Brexiters. They are now almost unanimous in claiming that they wanted no deal all along. It’s so hard to reach people who are lying to themselves.

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby BobbyD » July 18th, 2019, 10:21 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0006wj2

Well that was a fun watch.

Barnier: We did our homework, we made a plan, and we took action to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.

Team Davis: We made Barnier sit on a chair so he didn't look so suave and impressive, tee hee hee. 1-0 to us.

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby XFool » July 18th, 2019, 11:21 pm

Hi-de-Hi! repeats as the bad boys of Brexit meet Su Pollard

The Guardian

Arron Banks and Andrew Rosindell are supplying their own Brexit metaphors now, partying with the star of a show about a clapped-out 50s holiday camp full of scam artists

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby XFool » July 18th, 2019, 11:42 pm

Remember! They all knew exactly what they were voting for:

The Brexit Caller James O'Brien Felt More Sorry For Than Ever Before

LBC

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby ursaminortaur » July 19th, 2019, 10:03 am

Rebel Tories have raised the possibility of a humble address requesting that the Queen goes to Brussels to request an extension if the new PM were to ignore parliament.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49040128

In a sign of the febrile atmosphere at Westminster, these Conservatives are thinking of holding a vote on a parliamentary device known as a humble address to the Queen.

If passed, the address would say that if the new prime minister ignored a vote rejecting no deal the Queen would be asked to exercise her right as head of state to travel to the next EU summit. Under their plan she would then request an extension to the Article 50 process.

Under EU rules, member states are usually represented at meetings of the European Council by a head of state or a head of government. The Queen is the UK's head of state, though it is understood that no European monarch has ever formally represented their country at an EU summit.

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby XFool » July 20th, 2019, 8:44 am

Interesting, in the light of recent developments. From 18 July:

EU silence over British seizure of Iranian tanker is a telling glimpse of post-Brexit future

The Conversation

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby BobbyD » July 20th, 2019, 2:20 pm

XFool wrote:Interesting, in the light of recent developments. From 18 July:

EU silence over British seizure of Iranian tanker is a telling glimpse of post-Brexit future

The Conversation


Not that surprising since they are trying to keep the ashes of the Iran deal alive. The correct response would be to poke Trump with a sharp stick.

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby dionaeamuscipula » July 20th, 2019, 2:41 pm

XFool wrote:Interesting, in the light of recent developments. From 18 July:

EU silence over British seizure of Iranian tanker is a telling glimpse of post-Brexit future

The Conversation


We don't stand alone:

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-warned- ... s-11766673

DM

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby XFool » August 6th, 2019, 9:11 pm

Another take on Brexitland:

The super-rich have made Britain into a nation of losers

The Guardian

While nurses beg on TV for pay rises and neighbours feud about benefits, the wealthy continue to take without giving

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby XFool » August 12th, 2019, 10:03 am

Another POV. The perils of 'exceptionalism'?

Britain’s Contradictory Brexit Myths

The Atlantic

The country alternately believes it has been a towering empire and a plucky underdog, narratives that distract from real issues in its decision-making process.

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Re: It's Still Brexit

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Postby TheMotorcycleBoy » August 12th, 2019, 4:25 pm

XFool wrote:Another POV. The perils of 'exceptionalism'?

Britain’s Contradictory Brexit Myths

The Atlantic

The country alternately believes it has been a towering empire and a plucky underdog, narratives that distract from real issues in its decision-making process.

Well, yes. A bunch of bullies from the island nation.

Easy to conquer the uncivilised globe with a powerful navy, whilst the rest of the continent fights amongst themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercantil ... at_Britain


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