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Re: VIX

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Postby langley59 » February 13th, 2018, 12:31 am

odysseus2000 wrote:Looking at the backwardisation in the vix:

http://vixcentral.com

Once this current contract closes (Wed I think) there is not much slope in the backwardisation which made me wonder if svxy might be good.

I had decided I would not touch svxy ever again, but the more I looked at the above chart, the more it seemed like an opportunity, so I added to my heavily underwater svxy.

Hope I am not buying at a top based on todays action, but if the vix returns to contango, svxy ought to fly.

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Ditto. Just a lingering doubt in my mind however given the termination of XIV.

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Re: VIX

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Postby GoSeigen » February 13th, 2018, 1:32 pm

langley59 wrote:Ditto. Just a lingering doubt in my mind however given the termination of XIV.


IMO with the VIX in backwardation vol should be bought, not sold.


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Re: VIX

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Postby odysseus2000 » February 13th, 2018, 2:24 pm

GoSeigen
IMO with the VIX in backwardation vol should be bought, not sold.



Yes, but the vix has moved a lot & the forward curve, after the current contract closes, is much flatter in backwardisation.


Clearly the time to buy volatility was before this big move, now I am not so sure.

As I currently see things there is more chance of a fall in volatility compared to a rise. Sure there are still stories of big hedge funds/ banks in trouble because of the violent rise in volatility. If these stories turn out to be true then one could see the vix spike up from these levels, if not volatility likely falls.

Difficult to quantify what the upside might reach, but the down side based on the last few years if volatility falls is potentially large.

Not a widows or orphans trade as short volatility now is still high risk imho, but I can withstand a complete loss & so long as svxy isn't withdrawn there seems a good possibility that in the by & by even with short term spikes that volatility falls imho.

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Re: VIX

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Postby hiriskpaul » February 13th, 2018, 3:54 pm

This is interesting, but could be fake news, etc.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/13/whistle ... igate.html

For the moment I am staying clear of volatility futures and derived products such as SVXY. I will stick to options. That way I know precisely what volatility I am being quoted.

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Re: VIX

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Postby langley59 » February 14th, 2018, 4:03 pm

February VIX futures have expired today, VIX Itself has fallen to just under 20 as I write and the backwardation between the front month futures (Mch) and the second month futures (Apr) is quite small.

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Re: VIX

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Postby hiriskpaul » February 15th, 2018, 1:36 pm

hiriskpaul wrote:FWIW I took out a bet on Friday that we have seen the last vol spike and it is downhill from here (short Mar SPX puts at 5400). So far so good today. Last week I also bet against a collapse in oil prices (Short Apr WTI puts at 5400). That one is not going too well, but a bit better today.

I am surprised no one questioned this. My short S&P 500 puts have a strike of 2400, not 5400! Similarly, WTI strike should be 5650, not 5400. No idea why I had 5400 on my brain.

So far this volatility spike has followed a common pattern with a few days of significant volatility, followed by a more gradual decline. I hope it continues to follow that pattern.

I have been thinking about the suggestion of VIX futures manipulation and find it quite surprising. The posting of outrageously priced orders for SPX options are not uncommon and used to stimulate more sensible prices, or so I used to believe, so it seems unlikely to me that the CBOE would take account of unrealistic prices in calculating the VIX.

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Re: VIX

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Postby DiamondEcho » February 15th, 2018, 7:14 pm

hiriskpaul wrote: I am surprised no one questioned this. My short S&P 500 puts have a strike of 2400, not 5400! Similarly, WTI strike should be 5650, not 5400.

I noticed it was incorrect, despite not closely following these instruments. I occasionally have random moments like this too and that's what I put it down to, no big deal - it happens :lol:

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Re: VIX

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Postby hiriskpaul » February 15th, 2018, 9:22 pm

DiamondEcho wrote:
hiriskpaul wrote: I am surprised no one questioned this. My short S&P 500 puts have a strike of 2400, not 5400! Similarly, WTI strike should be 5650, not 5400.

I noticed it was incorrect, despite not closely following these instruments. I occasionally have random moments like this too and that's what I put it down to, no big deal - it happens :lol:

Which I had sold puts at 5400 as the return would have been a lot more than on my 2400s!


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