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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby bungeejumper » July 6th, 2019, 10:51 am

JoyofBrex8889 wrote:Thanks! I just have to say "No" one more time than the opponent says "Yes". It is obvious that people here value and want to pay for the Beeb. That should be evidence enough that the BBC has a viable free market future without bilking the taxpayer for subsidy.

LOL, against my better judgement I'll have a go at responding to that.

So the BBC says: "Pay us a subscription and we'll channel your TV to you without further charge."

And Netflix says: "Pay us a subscription and we'll channel your TV to you without further charge."

And Amazon Prime says :"Pay us a subscription and we'll channel your TV to you without further charge." ;)

The main difference being that the last two pay their stars better than the BBC. (As do most commercial broadcasters - see Bake Off, for example.) But wait, I must be missing something? Could it possibly be that Amazon is subsidising Clarkson's squillion-dollar pay check to promote something else?

Naah, couldn't possibly be.

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby XFool » July 6th, 2019, 12:25 pm

richfool wrote:Wouldn't it be simpler if the BBC started showing adverts and funded itself, and let the rest of us get on with our lives, without the TV licence which amounts to yet another tax. It could then pay its presenters what it could afford to, like any other business. I resent it using my money to overpay its staff, and to support its biased programmes...

Apart from anything else...

Why is a non transparent method of paying for the BBC, via the purchase price of products being advertised, mysteriously better than being taxed transparently for watching BBC programmes?

richfool wrote:...not to mention its agents harassing the public (at further expense) who may have chosen not to have a TV .

Then they don't pay the TV licence, do they? Unlike those who have chosen not to have TVs, who still have to pay for TV advertising costs.

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby richfool » July 6th, 2019, 3:31 pm

XFool wrote:
richfool wrote:Wouldn't it be simpler if the BBC started showing adverts and funded itself, and let the rest of us get on with our lives, without the TV licence which amounts to yet another tax. It could then pay its presenters what it could afford to, like any other business. I resent it using my money to overpay its staff, and to support its biased programmes...

Apart from anything else...

Why is a non transparent method of paying for the BBC, via the purchase price of products being advertised, mysteriously better than being taxed transparently for watching BBC programmes?

richfool wrote:...not to mention its agents harassing the public (at further expense) who may have chosen not to have a TV .

Then they don't pay the TV licence, do they? Unlike those who have chosen not to have TVs, who still have to pay for TV advertising costs.

No, they don't and indeed they shouldn't, but that doesn't stop the NTVLRO (if that is what they are still called) from sending harassing and threatening letters to the occupier, even going as far as telling them what will happen in Court, - all when the occupier doesn't have a TV, nor need a license, or its an unoccupied premises.

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby Gaggsy » July 6th, 2019, 5:27 pm

Crikey, thought I was in Bitter Lemons, but it seems I'm LoSt.
Spelling's got worse too.
Don't feed the troll!

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby TUK020 » July 7th, 2019, 9:02 am

A more relevant question:

Why is the BBC showing football, and paying market rates for some pundit?
Surely this is something that can be left to commercially funded TV....

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby scotia » July 7th, 2019, 5:32 pm

TUK020 wrote:A more relevant question:
Why is the BBC showing football, and paying market rates for some pundit?
Surely this is something that can be left to commercially funded TV....

I think that football is of significant interest to a sizeable fraction of the populace (who are paying for the BBC service), and hence seems an entirely legitimate part of the BBC programming. As to paying for the pundit, I have never noticed any BBC presenter leaving to join our commercially funded services for a reduction in salary. So although I may think the pundits are overpaid, I suspect the free market would think otherwise. Yes - I certainly do get grumpy at the size of salaries paid to "star" presenters - but it would certainly not disappear with the demise of the BBC. Incidentally, it appears that the government is about to remove my free TV licence, and there seems to be some persons being so confused as to blame the BBC. Maybe the next ploy will be to remove our bus passes, and blame it on the bus companies. Or maybe they can get people so confused that they actually believe that Boris or Corbyn is fit to be a PM.
(with apologies to the moderator for the last part - but I'm trying hard to avoid the UK heading for a political nervous breakdown as feared by the former head of MI6, and I'm most certainly grumpy about the possibility)

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby dionaeamuscipula » July 7th, 2019, 10:41 pm

TUK020 wrote:A more relevant question:

Why is the BBC showing football, and paying market rates for some pundit?
Surely this is something that can be left to commercially funded TV....


They aren't being paid market rates. Shearer is paid less than £500k for doing the same job Gary Neville does for about £1.5m for Sky.

Lineker is paid about £3m per annum by BT and about £1.75m pa by the BBC.

I have no idea, and have no way of finding out, what the hours commitment is for each job.

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby JoyofBrex8889 » July 9th, 2019, 12:54 am

On further reflection, there is a moderately acceptable libertarian workaround solution to the BBC tax.

With Amazon Prime or Netflix there is probably more content than is healthy to watch.

No need for the odious TV license.

No need to the increasingly baked-not-fried Gary Lehneger (peerless crisp-flogger and flagging micro-blogger).

It’s better than acquiescing to the TV licensing goons.


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