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BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby Dod101 » July 3rd, 2019, 1:28 pm

Gaggsy wrote:Lineker.

It's Lineker.

NOT Linnaker ffs.

You'd think with the amount of media coverage he gets, folk would manage to spell his name right.

;)


Sorry I was lazy and just copied what had been written! Lineker, Lineker. Got it!

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby JoyofBrex8889 » July 3rd, 2019, 2:44 pm

uspaul666 wrote:There is an exemption for the truly impoverished, the rest of the remarkably wealthy elderly can pay their way along with the rest of us.


Perhaps that was intended to remind me that those rendered exempt from the unjust imposition of the telly tax should fall to their knees in gratitude at the generosity of their grand benefactors at the Beeb.

I on the other hand feel that this is an unnecessary and outdated tax, supporting an organisation that is institutionally biased. Indeed, stuffed to the gunwhales with overpaid luvvies. Truly the acme of champagne socialism.

It is utterly unsupportable as a public organisation. Allow the free market at it and maybe the Linnekers will get paid even better, I have no great objection to success. That is fine, as long as you are not requiring the taxpayer to foot the bill.

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby Dod101 » July 3rd, 2019, 4:23 pm

JoyofBrex8889 wrote:
uspaul666 wrote:There is an exemption for the truly impoverished, the rest of the remarkably wealthy elderly can pay their way along with the rest of us.


Perhaps that was intended to remind me that those rendered exempt from the unjust imposition of the telly tax should fall to their knees in gratitude at the generosity of their grand benefactors at the Beeb.

I on the other hand feel that this is an unnecessary and outdated tax, supporting an organisation that is institutionally biased. Indeed, stuffed to the gunwhales with overpaid luvvies. Truly the acme of champagne socialism.

It is utterly unsupportable as a public organisation. Allow the free market at it and maybe the Linnekers will get paid even better, I have no great objection to success. That is fine, as long as you are not requiring the taxpayer to foot the bill.


I agree with all that you have written except 'Linneker'. It is Lineker!

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby bungeejumper » July 3rd, 2019, 4:59 pm

JoyofBrex8889 wrote:I on the other hand feel that this is an unnecessary and outdated tax, supporting an organisation that is institutionally biased. Indeed, stuffed to the gunwhales with overpaid luvvies. Truly the acme of champagne socialism.

Business model - no adverts, precious little sponsorship, 60 full minutes of broadcast entertainment in every hour, instead of 40, as with the execrable Dave.

And still they're producing documentaries and drama that beat the crap out of most countries' commercial output. Which is why the BBC makes such good money out of selling its broadcast rights around the world.

Awful. I can't imagine why people stand for it. Agree with you about the overpay, at least partially.

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby SalvorHardin » July 3rd, 2019, 5:03 pm

bungeejumper wrote:Business model - no adverts, precious little sponsorship, 60 full minutes of broadcast entertainment in every hour, instead of 40, as with the execrable Dave.

Is that "Dave", channel 111 on the Sky box?

Dave is owned by UKTV, which is owned by BBC Studios which is owned by the BBC.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_(TV_channel)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Studios

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby UncleIan » July 3rd, 2019, 5:25 pm

bungeejumper wrote:Business model - no adverts, precious little sponsorship, 60 full minutes of broadcast entertainment in every hour


Not forgetting their excellent unbiased current affairs and news reporting that's worth the full licence fee on its own I reckon.

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby stevensfo » July 4th, 2019, 7:31 pm

JoyofBrex8889 wrote:BBC hands stars £11m pay rise - while cutting free TV licences for over-75s.

Truly is there anything more ugly than a Leftist organisation impoverishing the elderly while enriching its managers and so-called “talent”.

The sooner the BBC is privatised, the better.

If the BBC didn’t already exist, you wouldn’t create it.


I have the sneaking suspicion that you're having a little joke. Millions around the world depend on the BBC. It's the best publicity for the UK we've got. Well, I mean. we don't have much else, do we? Not now when most Northern Europeans speak far better English than the Brits.

Steve

PS If you're going to bring Brexit into it, just watch the BBC World News. You can't get much more anti EU than that lot!

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby stewamax » July 5th, 2019, 12:44 pm

I don't habitually watch (or read about) sport.
On the few occasions I have seen Mr Lineker holding forth, I wonder how the Beeb judge 'presenter ability' because his skill in this area is amateurish. He was a fine sportsman but that is where it ends.

There are a few good 'uns such as Sue Barker who is an excellent presenter AND has the track record in tennis to back up her judgements. So why is she paid less than Lineker? Silly me: it's football, football, football ...

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby JoyofBrex8889 » July 5th, 2019, 12:57 pm

stewamax wrote:I don't habitually watch (or read about) sport.
On the few occasions I have seen Mr Lineker holding forth, I wonder how the Beeb judge 'presenter ability' because his skill in this area is amateurish. He was a fine sportsman but that is where it ends.

There are a few good 'uns such as Sue Barker who is an excellent presenter AND has the track record in tennis to back up her judgements. So why is she paid less than Lineker? Silly me: it's football, football, football ...


I wonder if Sue Barker was more adept at Tweeting social justice issues would she get the same salary as Mr Linnakcer?

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby Slarti » July 5th, 2019, 4:45 pm

JoyofBrex8889 wrote:Perhaps that was intended to remind me that those rendered exempt from the unjust imposition of the telly tax should fall to their knees in gratitude at the generosity of their grand benefactors at the Beeb.


While the rest of should be cursing the government for removing another benefit.

Beeb didn't do it, government did.

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby JoyofBrex8889 » July 5th, 2019, 5:41 pm

The government have certainly did do it, didnt they?

They created a system that imposes an absurd opt-in tax on using a television. This was then used to fund an out-of control state broadcaster which for three generations was the preferred destination for sinecures for those scions of Oxbridge who lacked land and prospects under conditions of capitalist competition.

Under Auntie's benevolent umbrella, they would never need to be challenged by such passing fads as the free market, and so the Leftist culture of perpetual entitlement to public funding took root in this behemoth of the national broadcast media.

Well. That time is over. The clamour to challenge the BBC and its cosy coterie is growing, and will continue to grow from ordinary folk due to the BBC willingness to fund champagne lifestyles for Lihniker et al.

My disrespect of the BBC is total: In my opinion it is a biased, identity politics ridden, rotten organisation that pretends to Reithian ideals while pandering to its executives. It chooses to present itself as incapable of self sufficiency. Yet to judge by your eulogies above, it possesses all the tools to break its addiction to coercing tax from the nations TV owners. A pox on it, until it crawls from its self-pity into standing or falling on its own merits.

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Postby stewamax » July 5th, 2019, 8:16 pm

JoyofBrex8889 wrote:This was then used to fund an out-of control state broadcaster which for three generations was the preferred destination for sinecures for those scions of Oxbridge who lacked land and prospects under conditions of capitalist competition.

Or more precisely Oxford. They probably allowed a few token Cantab chaps in if they were well-connected.

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby XFool » July 5th, 2019, 10:38 pm

JoyofBrex8889 wrote:BBC hands stars £11m pay rise - while cutting free TV licences for over-75s.

Truly is there anything more ugly than a Leftist organisation impoverishing the elderly while enriching its managers and so-called “talent”.

The sooner the BBC is privatised, the better.

If the BBC didn’t already exist, you wouldn’t create it.

Oh get over yourself!

You know, as well as I do, these high salaries are a feature of the contemporary, competitive capitalist(!) private enterprise society - which the BBC is necessarily a competitor in. So take your "Leftist organisation" BS with you on the way out!

Secondly, I am sure you know as well as I do, that the "Leftist" George Osborne did the BBC over on his deal with them over the license fee for over 75s. Any real world criticism of the BBC could possibly start from there.

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby JoyofBrex8889 » July 5th, 2019, 11:37 pm

XFool wrote:
JoyofBrex8889 wrote:BBC hands stars £11m pay rise - while cutting free TV licences for over-75s.

Truly is there anything more ugly than a Leftist organisation impoverishing the elderly while enriching its managers and so-called “talent”.

The sooner the BBC is privatised, the better.

If the BBC didn’t already exist, you wouldn’t create it.

Oh get over yourself!

You know, as well as I do, these high salaries are a feature of the contemporary, competitive capitalist(!) private enterprise society - which the BBC is necessarily a competitor in. So take your "Leftist organisation" BS with you on the way out!

Secondly, I am sure you know as well as I do, that the "Leftist" George Osborne did the BBC over on his deal with them over the license fee for over 75s. Any real world criticism of the BBC could possibly start from there.


Indeed, and you will find my acceptance of high salaries for the successful in the commercial sector in the post here: viewtopic.php?f=71&t=18345&start=20#p233692

Competitive capitalists don’t tend to demand the government raise a specific tax to support their business, do they? Such welfarism is a feature of the Left.

So why deny the obvious?: The BBC is a Leftist organisation. Its funding is principally based on the State collecting a tax. This should be called out until such time as it stops unnecessarily threatening folks and using coercion to fund itself.
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Postby XFool » July 5th, 2019, 11:46 pm

JoyofBrex8889 wrote:Methinks you are struggling with the idea of competitive capitalism.

Competitive capitalists don’t tend to demand the government raise a specific tax to support their business do they?

Nice deflection technique. ;)

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Postby JoyofBrex8889 » July 5th, 2019, 11:57 pm

Thank you!

But I have no objection to successful people getting well paid in the free market. If Linker is worth his salt he is free to sell his services to the highest bidder.

My objection is to the BBC bidding high with taxpayers money, when it ought to be mindful that it is a public sector organisation.

If it wants to pay extortionate amounts as a private sector organisation, that would be fine.

My issue is the BBC is not willing to risk its fat funding stream from long-suffering taxpayers, but is willing to behave like a private robber baron rewarding favoured retainers when it suits.

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby richfool » July 6th, 2019, 9:07 am

JoyofBrex8889 wrote:Thank you!

But I have no objection to successful people getting well paid in the free market. If Linker is worth his salt he is free to sell his services to the highest bidder.

My objection is to the BBC bidding high with taxpayers money, when it ought to be mindful that it is a public sector organisation.

If it wants to pay extortionate amounts as a private sector organisation, that would be fine.

My issue is the BBC is not willing to risk its fat funding stream from long-suffering taxpayers, but is willing to behave like a private robber baron rewarding favoured retainers when it suits.

I agree.

The comment about Linneker being worth his salt wasn't a crisp pun, was it? ;)

Wouldn't it be simpler if the BBC started showing adverts and funded itself, and let the rest of us get on with our lives, without the TV licence which amounts to yet another tax. It could then pay its presenters what it could afford to, like any other business. I resent it using my money to overpay its staff, and to support its biased programmes, not to mention its agents harassing the public (at further expense) who may have chosen not to have a TV .

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Re: BBC hands stars £11m pay rise, cuts free licence

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Postby bungeejumper » July 6th, 2019, 9:10 am

JoyofBrex8889 wrote:My issue is the BBC is not willing to risk its fat funding stream from long-suffering taxpayers, but is willing to behave like a private robber baron rewarding favoured retainers when it suits.

Congratulations on your persistence, if nothing else. :lol: But you've just reminded me of two TV things that used to be familiar in the good old days.

First the goldfish swimming round endlessly in their little black and white bowl, and not getting anywhere. And secondly the little white dot in the middle of the screen that didn't give up even after everyone had gone to bed....

BJ

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Postby JoyofBrex8889 » July 6th, 2019, 10:31 am

bungeejumper wrote:
JoyofBrex8889 wrote:My issue is the BBC is not willing to risk its fat funding stream from long-suffering taxpayers, but is willing to behave like a private robber baron rewarding favoured retainers when it suits.

Congratulations on your persistence, if nothing else. :lol: But you've just reminded me of two TV things that used to be familiar in the good old days.

First the goldfish swimming round endlessly in their little black and white bowl, and not getting anywhere. And secondly the little white dot in the middle of the screen that didn't give up even after everyone had gone to bed....

BJ


Thanks! I just have to say "No" one more time than the opponent says "Yes". It is obvious that people here value and want to pay for the Beeb. That should be evidence enough that the BBC has a viable free market future without bilking the taxpayer for subsidy.

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Postby bungeejumper » July 6th, 2019, 10:51 am

JoyofBrex8889 wrote:Thanks! I just have to say "No" one more time than the opponent says "Yes". It is obvious that people here value and want to pay for the Beeb. That should be evidence enough that the BBC has a viable free market future without bilking the taxpayer for subsidy.

LOL, against my better judgement I'll have a go at responding to that.

So the BBC says: "Pay us a subscription and we'll channel your TV to you without further charge."

And Netflix says: "Pay us a subscription and we'll channel your TV to you without further charge."

And Amazon Prime says :"Pay us a subscription and we'll channel your TV to you without further charge." ;)

The main difference being that the last two pay their stars better than the BBC. (As do most commercial broadcasters - see Bake Off, for example.) But wait, I must be missing something? Could it possibly be that Amazon is subsidising Clarkson's squillion-dollar pay check to promote something else?

Naah, couldn't possibly be.

BJ


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