Unnecessary Speech Affectations.

[kiloran]

Personally the bit that really grates on my ears in this area is when aitch starts with a HAY..
- normally by folk what drop 'em otherwise

It's nothing new. I blame Tony Hancock... that's Hancock with a haitch

--kiloran

[servodude]

I think we have to be careful when discussing regional accents v deliberate speech affectations.

A regional accent, such as Weegie, might set your teeth on edge....but it's the way Weegies have communicated for millions of years.

But this, for example......https://youtu.be/0ouk_XEU-mw

Is not.

You'll be getting the same sense I do when one adopts the "lo.. the English they are too many" accent from Braveheart
- the "slow enough you have a chance but still sounds vaguely weegie enough to lend a bit of tartan colour" accent that nae ***t ever uses unless it's to make the poncey tourist really sure they are making fun of him

[servodude]

There is an equivalent I'm noticing in typing. People who mean to type “definitely” actually type “defiantly”
which some now seem to think is correct and means the same.

I saw one the other day
“little own”
own what I thought, and then I twigged,

"Let alone"

Good one, well spotted!

My fave, I think, is the "damp squid".

And to think we put these folk on "pedal stools"!

[Tedx]

There is an equivalent I'm noticing in typing. People who mean to type “definitely” actually type “defiantly”
which some now seem to think is correct and means the same.

I saw one the other day
“little own”
own what I thought, and then I twigged,

"Let alone"

Good one, well spotted!

My fave, I think, is the "damp squid".

And to think we put these folk on "pedal stools"!

I Pacifically told you not to mention that

[bluedonkey]

I think the "anotel" for "an hotel" is part of received pronunciation, or U rather than non-U.

[pje16]

I Pacifically told you not to mention that

Shirley you're not serious

[tjh290633]

I think the "anotel" for "an hotel" is part of received pronunciation, or U rather than non-U.

It's what Nancy Mitford would have said.

TJH

[Dod101]

Not pronouncing the h in hotel. Sounds like anotel.

My father in law was an old style headmaster and knew what he was on about but always used 'an 'otel'. It actually rolls off the tongue better anyway. I use 'a hote'l but it is always a bit jarring. I can only imagine that that is the way he was taught from school days because he was anything but affectatious.

Dod

[ReformedCharacter]

Not pronouncing the h in hotel. Sounds like anotel.

My father in law was an old style headmaster and knew what he was on about but always used 'an 'otel'. It actually rolls off the tongue better anyway. I use 'a hote'l but it is always a bit jarring. I can only imagine that that is the way he was taught from school days because he was anything but affectatious.

Dod

That's the way I was taught to say it, I see Wikipedia has this:

In English, The pronunciation of ⟨h⟩ as /h/ can be analyzed as a voiceless vowel. That is, when the phoneme /h/ precedes a vowel, /h/ may be realized as a voiceless version of the subsequent vowel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H

RC

[swill453]

To be honest, whoever made the rule made a horlicks of it...

Scott.

[Arborbridge]

As a minor pendant myself (sic) I'm enjoying this thread. I hadn't realised that some of the things seen lately were common experiences, were a "thing" - such as the recent "defiantly" or the much older "arks".

'otel is not an affectation but just an acknowledgement of a time when the ruling classes centuries ago would have spoken French. More than 500 years, but we still remember it with some resentment!

Spellings did not settle until quite late on - after Shakespeare - and that has given lots of room for error.

I must go and re-read about the great vowel shift - I never did fully understand it

Arb

[bluedonkey]

I have to finally add restaurant pronounced a la francaise rather than with a hard t at the end. My awareness of this probably reveals some lower middle class insecurities, no doubt.

[UncleEbenezer]

Not pronouncing the h in hotel. Sounds like anotel.

My father in law was an old style headmaster and knew what he was on about but always used 'an 'otel'. It actually rolls off the tongue better anyway. I use 'a hote'l but it is always a bit jarring. I can only imagine that that is the way he was taught from school days because he was anything but affectatious.

Dod

Perhaps you should combine that with a glo'al stop for the t? Sounding the word "o 'ell".

[bungeejumper]

I hereby nominate the American author of this list for an honourary pendants reward. I might almost have mistaken him for a Brit, if only he hadn't failed to include "different than" in his prohibited list.

But, irregardless of this and for all intensive purposes, the general affect of his recommendations is to insure that these regretfully elicit offenses against the language ought to become lesser everyday. Well, at least in principal.

https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/75-incor ... -dumb.html

I am literally speechless.

BJ

[pje16]

I hereby nominate the American author of this list for an honourary pendants reward. I might almost have mistaken him for a Brit, if only he hadn't failed to include "different than" in his prohibited list.

But, irregardless of this and for all intensive purposes, the general affect of his recommendations is to insure that these regretfully elicit offenses against the language ought to become lesser everyday. Well, at least in principal.

https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/75-incor ... -dumb.html

I am literally speechless.

BJ

A lot of good ones on that link
BUT
Award and reward (really.... I mean really )

[bungeejumper]

I think it was David Coleman who reported, during some snooker match I think, that the crowd were "literally electrified, and glued to their seats".

BJ

[dealtn]

I hate that ...

some use your instead of you're

[Watis]

I hate that ...

some use your instead of you're

Yes - their really annoying!

Watis

[pje16]

Yes - their really annoying!

Watis

Surely you meant there

[Arborbridge]

I have to finally add restaurant pronounced a la francaise rather than with a hard t at the end. My awareness of this probably reveals some lower middle class insecurities, no doubt.

To my ear it just sounds horrid with a hard "t" at the end. Funny how we complain about people losing the consonants at the ends of words, but it isn't meant to be sounded, we complain also.

Arb.