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Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 29th, 2023, 6:42 pm
by Tedx
https://youtube.com/shorts/uYe1uR7Lre0?feature=shareI hate that croaky voice that young (particularly American) women use.
Scotlands youth have a way of talking that annoys me. You have to hear it, but the 3 shandy next morning 'hungover' youth might say 'I was
actually dyin'
Similarly that affectation white kids use when trying to talk like black kids (who have their own annoying youth affectation)
And gay/effiminate men. Why do they have to talk like that?
Talk NORMAL!
*before the permanently offended leap in, I dont care if your black, white,, gay, straight, male, female something inbetweeners or indeed any combination of the above.
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 29th, 2023, 6:44 pm
by Lootman
Tedx wrote:I hate that croaky voice that young (particularly American) women use.
If it is the manner of speech I think it is, then it has a name: "Vocal Fry".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_fry_register"Some evidence exists of vocal fry becoming more common in the speech of young female speakers of American English in the early 21st century, but its frequency's extent and significance are disputed. Researcher Ikuko Patricia Yuasa suggests that the tendency is a product of young women trying to infuse their speech with gravitas by means of reaching for the male register and found that "college-age Americans ... perceive female creaky voice as hesitant, nonaggressive, and informal but also educated, urban-oriented, and upwardly mobile."
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 29th, 2023, 6:55 pm
by absolutezero
Australian Questioning Intonation
That annoying RISE. At the end of a SENTENCE. That implies a QUESTION.
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 29th, 2023, 7:39 pm
by Tedx
absolutezero wrote:Australian Questioning Intonation
That annoying RISE. At the end of a SENTENCE. That implies a QUESTION.
Oh yes. Good one.
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 29th, 2023, 8:22 pm
by servodude
Tedx wrote:And gay/effiminate men. Why do they have to talk like that?
You've gone toooo far there
- there's no problem with someone sounding English
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 29th, 2023, 8:26 pm
by Newroad
Evening, Gents.
With the Aussie one, I believe you're conflating an accent with an affectation.
The end of sentence inflection is pretty common amongst almost all Australian English speakers - though its observable magnitude may vary a bit.
Regards, Newroad
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 29th, 2023, 9:46 pm
by stewamax
Affectation - if that is the right word for a manner of speech picked up when quite young - also runs in families in this country: the Stracheys and Mitfords for example.
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 29th, 2023, 9:50 pm
by servodude
Newroad wrote:Evening, Gents.
With the Aussie one, I believe you're conflating an accent with an affectation.
The end of sentence inflection is pretty common amongst almost all Australian English speakers - though its observable magnitude may vary a bit.
Regards, Newroad
I think they lifted it from the Irish (it is still common round Tyrone) - or more likely it went with the Irish to there (and Canadia eh?!) and back to the UK with the prevelance of crap daytime TV in the 80s
- unsure how it ended up in posh birds in Los Angeles though
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 29th, 2023, 11:02 pm
by Hypster
There's a lady in my office who says 'arks' when she means 'ask'. I've never understood if it is a mispronunciation or is a different word that is being substituted.
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 29th, 2023, 11:12 pm
by Lanark
Hypster wrote:There's a lady in my office who says 'arks' when she means 'ask'. I've never understood if it is a mispronunciation or is a different word that is being substituted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nysHgnXx-o
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 29th, 2023, 11:19 pm
by servodude
Hypster wrote:There's a lady in my office who says 'arks' when she means 'ask'. I've never understood if it is a mispronunciation or is a different word that is being substituted.
does she read a lot a Chaucer? I think he was a fan
Otherwise I've heard tell that it's an "Olde" thing that's spent some time hiding in parts of the English speaking dispora before resurfacing - it does irk a bit but was used to really good comic effect in the IT Crowd
- I've filed it next to those that order an expresso
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 29th, 2023, 11:37 pm
by Hypster
Lanark wrote:Hypster wrote:There's a lady in my office who says 'arks' when she means 'ask'. I've never understood if it is a mispronunciation or is a different word that is being substituted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nysHgnXx-o
Fascinating, thank you!
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 30th, 2023, 9:01 am
by bluedonkey
Not pronouncing the h in hotel. Sounds like anotel.
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 30th, 2023, 9:34 am
by Mike4
Hypster wrote:There's a lady in my office who says 'arks' when she means 'ask'. I've never understood if it is a mispronunciation or is a different word that is being substituted.
I've encountered that too!
There is an equivalent I'm noticing in typing. People who mean to type "definitely" actually type "defiantly", which some now seem to think is correct and means the same.
I think it's actually a type of "eggcorn".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggcorn
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 30th, 2023, 9:34 am
by servodude
bluedonkey wrote:Not pronouncing the h in hotel. Sounds like anotel.
Ok I'll give you a pass because I've just checked and it's "bitter lemons" not "pendants corner"
- dropping aitches is only an affectation if it ain't your native dialect
- c.f. Dick Van Dyke (now that's a name you couldn't get registered with Equity these days.. unless you're a drag act I suppose)
Personally the bit that really grates on my ears in this area is when aitch starts with a HAY..
- normally by folk what drop 'em otherwise
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 30th, 2023, 9:36 am
by servodude
Mike4 wrote:Hypster wrote:There's a lady in my office who says 'arks' when she means 'ask'. I've never understood if it is a mispronunciation or is a different word that is being substituted.
I've encountered that too!
There is an equivalent I'm noticing in typing. People who mean to type "definitely" actually type "defiantly", which some now seem to think is correct and means the same.
I think it's actually a type of "eggcorn".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggcorn
They should of paid more attention in school.
<cringe>
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 30th, 2023, 9:38 am
by pje16
Mike4 wrote:There is an equivalent I'm noticing in typing. People who mean to type “definitely” actually type “defiantly”
which some now seem to think is correct and means the same.
I saw one the other day
“little own”
own what I thought, and then I twigged,
"Let alone"
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 30th, 2023, 9:41 am
by Mike4
pje16 wrote:Mike4 wrote:There is an equivalent I'm noticing in typing. People who mean to type “definitely” actually type “defiantly”
which some now seem to think is correct and means the same.
I saw one the other day
“little own”
own what I thought, and then I twigged,
"Let alone"
Good one, well spotted!
My fave, I think, is the "damp squid".
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 30th, 2023, 9:42 am
by Tedx
I think we have to be careful when discussing regional accents v deliberate speech affectations.
A regional accent, such as Weegie, might set your teeth on edge....but it's the way Weegies have communicated for millions of years.
But this, for example......
https://youtu.be/0ouk_XEU-mwIs not.
Re: Unnecessary Speech Affectations.
Posted: January 30th, 2023, 9:43 am
by Mike4
servodude wrote:Mike4 wrote:Hypster wrote:There's a lady in my office who says 'arks' when she means 'ask'. I've never understood if it is a mispronunciation or is a different word that is being substituted.
I've encountered that too!
There is an equivalent I'm noticing in typing. People who mean to type "definitely" actually type "defiantly", which some now seem to think is correct and means the same.
I think it's actually a type of "eggcorn".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggcorn
They should of paid more attention in school.
<cringe>
Agreed. Makes one cringe, dunnit.