Donate to Remove ads

Got a credit card? use our Credit Card & Finance Calculators

Thanks to Rhyd6,eyeball08,Wondergirly,bofh,johnstevens77, for Donating to support the site

16 circles

Itsallaguess
Lemon Half
Posts: 9129
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 1:16 pm
Has thanked: 4140 times
Been thanked: 10032 times

16 circles

#73389

Postby Itsallaguess » August 9th, 2017, 8:28 pm

This image has 16 circles in it -

https://i.redd.it/3ul70f62uoez.jpg

Can you spot them?

Itsallaguess

redsturgeon
Lemon Half
Posts: 8962
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 9:06 am
Has thanked: 1324 times
Been thanked: 3693 times

Re: 16 circles

#73390

Postby redsturgeon » August 9th, 2017, 8:35 pm

Yes

Weird though

John

UncleEbenezer
The full Lemon
Posts: 10812
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 8:17 pm
Has thanked: 1471 times
Been thanked: 3005 times

Re: 16 circles

#73411

Postby UncleEbenezer » August 9th, 2017, 11:27 pm

The clue is in the number, if they're not immediately apparent.

But those 'circles' are from the pixellated days of about 1980!

jfgw
Lemon Quarter
Posts: 2564
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 3:36 pm
Has thanked: 1106 times
Been thanked: 1166 times

Re: 16 circles

#73415

Postby jfgw » August 10th, 2017, 12:26 am

UncleEbenezer wrote:The clue is in the number, if they're not immediately apparent.

But those 'circles' are from the pixellated days of about 1980!


Polygons rather than circles. I might be being a bit too pedantic though.

Julian F. G. W.

redsturgeon
Lemon Half
Posts: 8962
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 9:06 am
Has thanked: 1324 times
Been thanked: 3693 times

Re: 16 circles

#73424

Postby redsturgeon » August 10th, 2017, 5:37 am

jfgw wrote:
UncleEbenezer wrote:The clue is in the number, if they're not immediately apparent.

But those 'circles' are from the pixellated days of about 1980!


Polygons rather than circles. I might be being a bit too pedantic though.

Julian F. G. W.


Isn't any circle just a polygon with a infinite number of small sides?

John

Gengulphus
Lemon Quarter
Posts: 4255
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 1:17 am
Been thanked: 2628 times

Re: 16 circles

#73455

Postby Gengulphus » August 10th, 2017, 9:09 am

redsturgeon wrote:Isn't any circle just a polygon with a infinite number of small sides?

No - that's a loose description of something that is true, but no more than a loose description.

One mathematically accurate way (not the only one) of expressing that truth is that a circle of radius R centred at a point P is the limit as N tends to infinity of any series of N-sided regular polygons with side length 2*pi*R/N centred at the same point P. But in general, the limit of a series of Xes need not be an X itself, so such a limit need not be a polygon itself, and in this case the circle is not itself a polygon.

Another example of that general principle is the series of rational numbers (*) 1/1, 3/2, 7/5, 17/12, 41/29, 99/70, ..., where each term is produced from the previous one by changing a/b to (a+2b)/(a+b). The limit of that series is SquareRoot(2), which is not a rational number.

(*) I.e. numbers that can be expressed as fractions, without necessarily having to lie between 0 and 1.

Gengulphus

redsturgeon
Lemon Half
Posts: 8962
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 9:06 am
Has thanked: 1324 times
Been thanked: 3693 times

Re: 16 circles

#73456

Postby redsturgeon » August 10th, 2017, 9:15 am

Gengulphus wrote:
redsturgeon wrote:Isn't any circle just a polygon with a infinite number of small sides?

No - that's a loose description of something that is true, but no more than a loose description.

One mathematically accurate way (not the only one) of expressing that truth is that a circle of radius R centred at a point P is the limit as N tends to infinity of any series of N-sided regular polygons with side length 2*pi*R/N centred at the same point P. But in general, the limit of a series of Xes need not be an X itself, so such a limit need not be a polygon itself, and in this case the circle is not itself a polygon.

Another example of that general principle is the series of rational numbers (*) 1/1, 3/2, 7/5, 17/12, 41/29, 99/70, ..., where each term is produced from the previous one by changing a/b to (a+2b)/(a+b). The limit of that series is SquareRoot(2), which is not a rational number.

(*) I.e. numbers that can be expressed as fractions, without necessarily having to lie between 0 and 1.

Gengulphus


You can tell who is and is not a mathematician here :D

Would it be true though that any representation of a circle on an LED screen will be a polygon?

John

UncleEbenezer
The full Lemon
Posts: 10812
Joined: November 4th, 2016, 8:17 pm
Has thanked: 1471 times
Been thanked: 3005 times

Re: 16 circles

#73463

Postby UncleEbenezer » August 10th, 2017, 9:50 am

redsturgeon wrote:
You can tell who is and is not a mathematician here :D

Well, I'm a long-lapsed mathematician, and he regularly impresses me.
Would it be true though that any representation of a circle on an LED screen will be a polygon?

John

No. As with those circles, it'll involve more than a mere geometric shape: for example, it might use anti-aliasing. And that's with the assumption that an LED screen is necessarily a rectangular grid of fixed pixels!

BobbyD
Lemon Half
Posts: 7814
Joined: January 22nd, 2017, 2:29 pm
Has thanked: 665 times
Been thanked: 1289 times

Re: 16 circles

#74322

Postby BobbyD » August 14th, 2017, 12:44 pm

Itsallaguess wrote:This image has 16 circles in it -

https://i.redd.it/3ul70f62uoez.jpg

Can you spot them?

Itsallaguess


Is it a sail boat?

BrummieDave
Lemon Slice
Posts: 818
Joined: November 6th, 2016, 7:29 pm
Has thanked: 200 times
Been thanked: 378 times

Re: 16 circles

#74371

Postby BrummieDave » August 14th, 2017, 4:07 pm

That's a great illusion and shows just how easily the brain can be fooled by the eyes.

I stared at it for a good three minutes before I saw the gorilla walking across the screen.

cinelli
Lemon Slice
Posts: 553
Joined: November 9th, 2016, 11:33 am
Has thanked: 234 times
Been thanked: 161 times

Re: 16 circles

#74416

Postby cinelli » August 14th, 2017, 7:56 pm

This reminds me of those pictures which were popular a few years ago. If you stared at them in the right way you would see three-dimensional dinosaurs. Try this one for size:

http://www.vision3d.com/sghidden/dino.html

Cinelli

BobbyD
Lemon Half
Posts: 7814
Joined: January 22nd, 2017, 2:29 pm
Has thanked: 665 times
Been thanked: 1289 times

Re: 16 circles

#75017

Postby BobbyD » August 17th, 2017, 8:06 am

BrummieDave wrote:That's a great illusion and shows just how easily the brain can be fooled by the eyes.

I stared at it for a good three minutes before I saw the gorilla walking across the screen.


My favourite is this one.

Which square is darker A or B?

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/proxy/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Grey_square_optical_illusion/https/e8340fa1aa.PNG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checker_shadow_illusion


Return to “Games, Puzzles and Riddles”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests