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Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby Nemo » July 23rd, 2023, 11:34 am

May I add gas and electricity?

When I first started pointing out that smart meters make it possible with the click of a mouse in Whitehall for a government to cut off the gas and electricity supplies to anyone whose views it disagrees with, it all seemed a bit far fetched. But now with all this debanking happening, it looks a whole lot more likely to me.

De-gasifying and de-electrifying troublesome citizens by mouse-click is much easier than cutting off their water supply, which still requires a visit the property.


This is an old ad. by a data collection company called Onzo. Quickly withdrawn when they realized what they had put out there - it basically says that the energy companies will know everything about their customers, even how old their appliances are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIkT5GmoIgQ

Energy company in the USA remotely adjusting air conditioning settings via smart meters:

https://www.vox.com/recode/22543678/sma ... s-heatwave

I'll be the last person in the UK to have one

If you have a smart TV then look at the terms and conditions - most of them will say that the manufacturer will have a right to collect data about what you watch.

Wait until AI comes along, you won't be able to go for a **** without someone knowing :)

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby bluedonkey » July 23rd, 2023, 11:38 am

But Nigel Farage wasn't debanked, he was just moved to a less prestigious brand.

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby scotview » July 23rd, 2023, 11:41 am

bluedonkey wrote:But Nigel Farage wasn't debanked, he was just moved to a less prestigious brand.


Why ?

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby bluedonkey » July 23rd, 2023, 12:44 pm

scotview wrote:
bluedonkey wrote:But Nigel Farage wasn't debanked, he was just moved to a less prestigious brand.


Why ?

Uneconomic client.

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby Nemo » July 23rd, 2023, 1:42 pm

Uneconomic client.


Then why did they mention Brexit, Donald Trump, Russia, not sharing their views, and so on?

Quite funny really, a bank preaching on morality and good behaviour.

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby bluedonkey » July 23rd, 2023, 1:51 pm

Nemo wrote:
Uneconomic client.


Then why did they mention Brexit, Donald Trump, Russia, not sharing their views, and so on?

Quite funny really, a bank preaching on morality and good behaviour.

Reputational risk.

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby Lootman » July 23rd, 2023, 3:11 pm

bluedonkey wrote:
Nemo wrote:Then why did they mention Brexit, Donald Trump, Russia, not sharing their views, and so on?

Quite funny really, a bank preaching on morality and good behaviour.

Reputational risk.

But what does that even mean? I could maybe understand it if hordes of other customers were closing their accounts as a protest against Coutts having NF as a client. But that wasn't happening. I suspect that many of their customers could be seen as a bit dodgy.

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby NotSure » July 23rd, 2023, 6:02 pm

Lootman wrote:
bluedonkey wrote:Reputational risk.

But what does that even mean? I could maybe understand it if hordes of other customers were closing their accounts as a protest against Coutts having NF as a client. But that wasn't happening. I suspect that many of their customers could be seen as a bit dodgy.


Well, would you like this business on your books: https://fortuneandfreedom.com/ ;)

But Coutts have messed up big time. I dislike NF with quite a passion, but even I feel he appears to have been hard done by.

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby MrFoolish » July 23rd, 2023, 6:15 pm

SalvorHardin wrote:The thing is that a lot of the people who support debanking really get off on it, like the cancel culture mobs on Twitter. Gives them a sense of power. Just look at the gleeful posts on TLF that support Coutts' position re. Farage.


Where are these posts? I'm not saying they don't exist but I haven't seen them.

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby Nemo » July 24th, 2023, 3:13 pm

Political party de-banked:

THE Reform Party’s account with Metro Bank was shut down because of its Brexit support, says leader Richard Tice.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23143919/ ... hard-tice/

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby stevensfo » July 24th, 2023, 4:52 pm

Nemo wrote:Political party de-banked:

THE Reform Party’s account with Metro Bank was shut down because of its Brexit support, says leader Richard Tice.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23143919/ ... hard-tice/


1. It's 'The Sun'! Harder to sell since no tits allowed on page 3.

2. The Reform party needs publicity.

3. What the hell is the Reform Party, anyway???


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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby 88V8 » July 26th, 2023, 1:07 pm

And it's not just the banks that are at it.
Also HMG.

I wonder if this is the long-anticipated permeation of ex-University wokes into public life.
Nothing good to see here :cry:

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby Pendrainllwyn » July 26th, 2023, 6:51 pm

88V8 wrote:And it's not just the banks that are at it.
Also HMG.
Wow. That is interesting. It's scary where this is going.

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby Lootman » July 26th, 2023, 6:57 pm

88V8 wrote:And it's not just the banks that are at it. Also HMG.

I wonder if this is the long-anticipated permeation of ex-University wokes into public life.
Nothing good to see here :cry:

The way I recall it, political correctness started permeating educational institutions around 1990. The folks who were at an impressionable age back then are coming into positions of power and influence now, just as the less woke-infested boomers retire. Coincidence?

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby NotSure » July 26th, 2023, 7:07 pm

Lootman wrote:
88V8 wrote:And it's not just the banks that are at it. Also HMG.

I wonder if this is the long-anticipated permeation of ex-University wokes into public life.
Nothing good to see here :cry:

The way I recall it, political correctness started permeating educational institutions around 1990. The folks who were at an impressionable age back then are coming into positions of power and influence now, just as the less woke-infested boomers retire. Coincidence?



Of course the boomers just conformed to their parents' ideals of how society should be ordered :D :D :D

Now it's someone else turn.

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby Lootman » July 26th, 2023, 7:12 pm

NotSure wrote:
Lootman wrote:The way I recall it, political correctness started permeating educational institutions around 1990. The folks who were at an impressionable age back then are coming into positions of power and influence now, just as the less woke-infested boomers retire. Coincidence?

Of course the boomers just conformed to their parents' ideals of how society should be ordered :D :D :D

Now it's someone else turn.

Actually no, it was the boomers who rebelled against their parents' values in the 1960s and 1970s. That whole counter-culture hippy/punk thing.

Before getting their hair cut and getting down to the serious business of making money and voting Tory. :D

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby NotSure » July 27th, 2023, 9:04 am

Lootman wrote:
NotSure wrote: Of course the boomers just conformed to their parents' ideals of how society should be ordered :D :D :D

Now it's someone else turn.

Actually no, it was the boomers who rebelled against their parents' values in the 1960s and 1970s. That whole counter-culture hippy/punk thing.

Before getting their hair cut and getting down to the serious business of making money and voting Tory. :D


The smileys were meant to indicate sarcasm. While as gen-X, my sympathies are closer to boomer than gen-Z, it does make me laugh when boomers go on and on and on and on about "woke" etc. As if they didn't impose their views on their elders? They changed societies values, but get very upset when future generations try do likewise.

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby XFool » July 27th, 2023, 9:24 am

NotSure wrote:While as gen-X, my sympathies are closer to boomer than gen-Z, it does make me laugh when boomers go on and on and on and on about "woke" etc. As if they didn't impose their views on their elders? They changed societies values, but get very upset when future generations try do likewise.

I suspect another name for that is "ageing"... :)

(XFool is a "boomer")

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby bluedonkey » July 27th, 2023, 12:18 pm

Devil's advocate - debank the National Socialist Party? Hypothetical question. More generally, where is the line drawn?

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Re: Careful who you support politically or who you are friends with

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Postby didds » July 27th, 2023, 5:28 pm

NotSure wrote: it does make me laugh when boomers go on and on and on and on about "woke" etc..


Well I'm a boomer (born 1962) and I never go on about "woke" - its a pathetic, puerile term.


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