Volkswagen Delivers 100,000th e-Golf
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redsturgeon wrote:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/25/elon-musks-father-has-baby-step-daughter-has-known-since-four/
Awkward.
Errol Musk 72 fathers daughter with step daughter he has known since age of 4.
Apparently Elon doesn't get on with his father perhaps this gives some background to the pedo insult.
John
odysseus2000 wrote:The VW stuff on cost parity seems strange given hiw much simpler BEV are compared to ICE.
Surely one expects BEV to be a lot cheaper?
All in all it just looks like a power point dog & pony show fantasy as a prelude to coming to the market for money.
Regards,
odysseus2000 wrote:The VW stuff on cost parity seems strange given hiw much simpler BEV are compared to ICE.
Surely one expects BEV to be a lot cheaper?
All in all it just looks like a power point dog & pony show fantasy as a prelude to coming to the market for money.
Regards,
Howard wrote:VW sales in the USA in November were 29,218 (up 9%) and their year to date sales are up 4.2% on the same time last year (335,445).
And BMW vehicle sales totalled 31,213 vehicles in November 2019, an increase of 10.2 percent over the 28,330 vehicles sold in November 2018. Year-to-date, BMW sales in the U.S. are up 4.5 percent.
(Figures are from VW and BMW corporate websites - nice PR quote: “We enter the final month of 2019 in the midst of our annual ‘Road Home’ sales event with optimism for a strong year-end and a prosperous year ahead,” said Bernhard Kuhnt, president and CEO, BMW of North America.)
Atlanta, Georgia. Porsche Cars North America, Inc. (PCNA), importer and distributor of the Porsche 911, 718 Boxster and Cayman, Macan, Cayenne, Panamera and Taycan model lines, today announced November retail sales rose 11.5 percent from a year ago to 6,326 vehicles – the strongest month ever for PCNA, breaking the prior all-time record set last November. For the first 11 months of 2019, total retail deliveries were up 7 percent from a year ago to 56,835.
“Porsche is on track to close 2019 with our tenth year of consecutive growth in deliveries to U.S. customers and the eighth successive record year,” said Klaus Zellmer, President and CEO of PCNA.
Bloomberg reports that ‘the average selling price for batteries at the end of last year was close to $180 per kilowatt hours.’ This suggests that the battery costs for the 41kwh ZOE amount to $7380 (€6615). Even if this was halved and the €3300 cost saving passed on to the consumer through lower list prices, the ZOE would still have a TCO that is over €5000 higher than for the petrol Clio and over €3500 higher than the diesel.
odysseus2000 wrote:The VW stuff on cost parity seems strange given hiw much simpler BEV are compared to ICE.
Surely one expects BEV to be a lot cheaper?
Howard wrote:Porsche are having a good year in the UK. Their sales of 13,517 ytd are up 20% over last year.
BobbyD wrote:Howard wrote:Porsche are having a good year in the UK. Their sales of 13,517 ytd are up 20% over last year.
A very disappointing 619% increase from Nov'18 figures.
Just been looking at Porsche's worldwide sales history.
1994 21,124
1999 43,982
2004 76,827
2008 98,652
2009 75,238
2014 187,208
2018 256,255
Call me biased, but I reckon that's reasonably impressive...
redsturgeon wrote:Bloomberg reports that ‘the average selling price for batteries at the end of last year was close to $180 per kilowatt hours.’ This suggests that the battery costs for the 41kwh ZOE amount to $7380 (€6615). Even if this was halved and the €3300 cost saving passed on to the consumer through lower list prices, the ZOE would still have a TCO that is over €5000 higher than for the petrol Clio and over €3500 higher than the diesel.
https://autovistagroup.com/news-and-ins ... nflate-tco
John
odysseus2000 wrote:redsturgeon wrote:Bloomberg reports that ‘the average selling price for batteries at the end of last year was close to $180 per kilowatt hours.’ This suggests that the battery costs for the 41kwh ZOE amount to $7380 (€6615). Even if this was halved and the €3300 cost saving passed on to the consumer through lower list prices, the ZOE would still have a TCO that is over €5000 higher than for the petrol Clio and over €3500 higher than the diesel.
https://autovistagroup.com/news-and-ins ... nflate-tco
John
Good cells are around 3000 mAhr at a nominal voltage of 3.7 volts, giving 3x3.7 =11.1 Whr
For 1000 Whr or 1kWh need 1000/11.1 = 90 cells.
Forbes say these cost $2 based on their $180 per kWh.
But retail prices, never mind wholesale, were available on Black Friday for $1.89:
https://kit.co/jehu/black-friday-deals-2019
So I imagine that wholesale prices in volume are around $1 per cell,around $90 per kWh.
I don't believe that the cost break down suggested for the ZOE is correct, looks to me to be trying to flog petrol versions before the price goes down.
If anyone disagrees with my numbers, please post why they are wrong.
Regards,
FRANKFURT -- Tesla, Porsche, Audi and VW were among brands that saw strong sales gains in Germany in November as overall market sales jumped 9.7 percent to 299,127 vehicles, according to data released by the KBA motor transport authority on Wednesday.
Porsche's registrations rose by 159 percent, Audi sales were up 41 percent and VW brand's volume gained 27 percent. The brands are bouncing back from a sales dip in autumn last year when new WLTP testing standards caused delivery disruptions.
Tesla's registrations increased 130 percent, helped by demand for the Model 3.
o2000,
My understanding is that the cells that leak through to retail consumers are the lowest quality out of the main runs, or the start & end runs of the higher quality. I fully agree that $/kWh prices are falling fast, but one has to be careful when doing apples & lemons pricing analyses in this sector.
regards,
dspp
odysseus2000 wrote:
o2000,
My understanding is that the cells that leak through to retail consumers are the lowest quality out of the main runs, or the start & end runs of the higher quality. I fully agree that $/kWh prices are falling fast, but one has to be careful when doing apples & lemons pricing analyses in this sector.
regards,
dspp
Lithium-ion cells ....
In general to be sure of what a vendor is flogging it is often good practice to try a sample and then get guarantees that a larger order would have quantifiable similar parameters....
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