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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 1st, 2021, 12:04 am

BobbyD

Where's your famous cybertruck?

Tesla fans have long claimed being a poor start-up underdog as an excuse for failure to deliver despite simultaneously claiming that at a gazillion times the market cap of the rest of the auto-industry put together all other car makers are essentially dead men walking, but the first company to put an electric pick up on the market is a genuine start up, and by the sounds of it they've done a bang up job.


This is a new vehicle in very early stage production, going up against the F150 lightening which is about half the price and comes from a well established maker of trucks.

Sure they will sell some but not many and there will be the usual production problems etc.

The cyber truck is not going up against the F150, it is going up against Range Rover and similar sport utility kind of vehicles. There is a huge difference in the target markets.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 1st, 2021, 12:06 am


(Press release, not reporting)
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... gw.twitter
Ford to Lead America’s Shift to Electric Vehicles with New Mega Campus in Tennessee and Twin Battery Plants in Kentucky; $11.4B Investment to Create 11,000 Jobs and Power New Lineup of Advanced EVs

Ford to bring electric zero-emission vehicles at scale to American customers with the largest, most advanced, most efficient auto production complex in its 118-year history

Called Blue Oval City, the complex will be constructed on a nearly 6-square-mile site in west Tennessee and build next-generation electric F-Series pickups and advanced batteries


This is corporate propaganda, means very little as all such stuff is simple the maker touting their own horn.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » October 1st, 2021, 12:16 am

odysseus2000 wrote:The cyber truck is not going up against the F150


The cybertruck isn't going up against anything it doesn't exist.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby Howard » October 1st, 2021, 12:21 am

BMW raises earnings guidance for the financial year 2021

"Whilst the semiconductor supply restrictions are expected to further impact production and deliveries to customers in the coming months, BMW AG expects that the continuing positive pricing effects for both new and pre-owned vehicles will overcompensate these negative sales volume effects in the current financial year.

The positive earnings effects will positively impact Group earnings before taxes which remain forecast to increase significantly. The Free Cash Flow in the Automotive Segment is now expected to be around € 6.5 billion."


A gradual move to fully electric vehicles seems to be quite a profitable strategy for BMW over the last five years. And they are obviously pleased with their free cash flow. The 42% increase in their sales in China in the first half of 2021 probably helped.

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https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/a ... -year-2021

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202107/ ... 618f8.html

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 1st, 2021, 12:33 am

BobbyD wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:The cyber truck is not going up against the F150


The cybertruck isn't going up against anything it doesn't exist.


It is coming and equity markets always look ahead.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 1st, 2021, 12:36 am

Howard wrote:BMW raises earnings guidance for the financial year 2021

"Whilst the semiconductor supply restrictions are expected to further impact production and deliveries to customers in the coming months, BMW AG expects that the continuing positive pricing effects for both new and pre-owned vehicles will overcompensate these negative sales volume effects in the current financial year.

The positive earnings effects will positively impact Group earnings before taxes which remain forecast to increase significantly. The Free Cash Flow in the Automotive Segment is now expected to be around € 6.5 billion."


A gradual move to fully electric vehicles seems to be quite a profitable strategy for BMW over the last five years. And they are obviously pleased with their free cash flow. The 42% increase in their sales in China in the first half of 2021 probably helped.

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https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/a ... -year-2021

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202107/ ... 618f8.html


Yes, this reads beautifully and no doubt many at BMW are touting their success, but this kind of stuff is a huge trap that is stopping them from doing what is needed and going fully electric. With positive results the chance of them modernizing is moved out in time and eventually they become a marque of yesteryear.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » October 1st, 2021, 5:46 am

odysseus2000 wrote:
BobbyD wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:The cyber truck is not going up against the F150


The cybertruck isn't going up against anything it doesn't exist.


It is coming and equity markets always look ahead.

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You mean like the 2014 Roadster 2, or the 2017 coast to coast? Can't wait...

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » October 1st, 2021, 6:03 am

BobbyD wrote:
odysseus2000 wrote:
BobbyD wrote:
The cybertruck isn't going up against anything it doesn't exist.


It is coming and equity markets always look ahead.

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You mean like the 2014 Roadster 2, or the 2017 coast to coast? Can't wait...


Just went to dig up the latest predicted timeline on the cybertruck, think I missed this last month but then you don't actually need to see the delay announcements these days, it's safe to assume:

When first unveiled in November 2019, Tesla stated the Cybertruck would hit the market in 2021. However, the automaker revealed its plans had been pushed back until 2022 during its Q2 2021 financial results announcement in August. Musk has now specified that it has been delayed yet again until late 2022 and that significant volume production will not be achieved until late 2023.


- https://www.carscoops.com/2021/09/elon- ... late-2022/

But you know what they say, a Rivian will have made it three times around the world before Tesla has got its pants on.

Looks like it will get beaten by the Ford F150 and the Hummer as well.

And that's assuming that the 30th delay announcement is more accurate than the preceding 29...

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » October 1st, 2021, 6:06 am

On the subject of actually getting cars ot market:

Cupra (part of the Volkswagen Group) has announced today the official start of series production of the all-new, all-electric Cupra Born model, based on the Cupra el-Born concept.

The car is produced at Volkswagen's Zwickau plant in Germany, alongside other MEB-based models: Volkswagen ID.3, Volkswagen ID.4, Audi Q4 e-tron/Audi Q4 Sportback e-tron and soon the Volkswagen ID.5.

The plant has an annual production capacity of around 330,000 electric cars (at up to 1,400 vehicles per day), which makes it the largest EV plant in Europe.


https://insideevs.com/news/537007/cupra ... n-germany/

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 1st, 2021, 10:43 am

BobbyD wrote:On the subject of actually getting cars ot market:

Cupra (part of the Volkswagen Group) has announced today the official start of series production of the all-new, all-electric Cupra Born model, based on the Cupra el-Born concept.

The car is produced at Volkswagen's Zwickau plant in Germany, alongside other MEB-based models: Volkswagen ID.3, Volkswagen ID.4, Audi Q4 e-tron/Audi Q4 Sportback e-tron and soon the Volkswagen ID.5.

The plant has an annual production capacity of around 330,000 electric cars (at up to 1,400 vehicles per day), which makes it the largest EV plant in Europe.


https://insideevs.com/news/537007/cupra ... n-germany/


Interesting model, no info given on pricing.

The idea of making an electric car in Spain amuses me as the last Spanish person I spoke to told me that they were forbidden by their government from putting solar panels on their roofs.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby Howard » October 1st, 2021, 2:08 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
BobbyD wrote:On the subject of actually getting cars ot market:

Cupra (part of the Volkswagen Group) has announced today the official start of series production of the all-new, all-electric Cupra Born model, based on the Cupra el-Born concept.

The car is produced at Volkswagen's Zwickau plant in Germany, alongside other MEB-based models: Volkswagen ID.3, Volkswagen ID.4, Audi Q4 e-tron/Audi Q4 Sportback e-tron and soon the Volkswagen ID.5.

The plant has an annual production capacity of around 330,000 electric cars (at up to 1,400 vehicles per day), which makes it the largest EV plant in Europe.


https://insideevs.com/news/537007/cupra ... n-germany/


Interesting model, no info given on pricing.

The idea of making an electric car in Spain amuses me as the last Spanish person I spoke to told me that they were forbidden by their government from putting solar panels on their roofs.

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BobbyD, How are you going to refute this incontestable logic?

The Spanish car industry is doomed. ;)

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 1st, 2021, 2:36 pm

BobbyD, How are you going to refute this incontestable logic?

The Spanish car industry is doomed. ;)

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Not at all, as far as I know the solar panel on private residence model is not good in Spain, but happy to have some one correct me if this has now changed.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » October 1st, 2021, 3:40 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
BobbyD, How are you going to refute this incontestable logic?

The Spanish car industry is doomed. ;)

regards

Howard


Not at all, as far as I know the solar panel on private residence model is not good in Spain, but happy to have some one correct me if this has now changed.

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From Spanish friends and friends whose families have properties over there Spanish building regs are 'interesting' and not always applied...

Spain does have a dearth of domestic solar, but it has a boatload of commercial solar.

Martorell produced almost 50% of the number of cars registered in Spain in 2019, but Spain as a whole produced over twice as many as were registered. Either they have a car mountain or there may be a little exporting going on...

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » October 1st, 2021, 4:09 pm

Robotaxis Getting Real In California — Waymo & Cruise Get Permits To Roll Out Robotaxis


- https://cleantechnica.com/2021/09/30/ro ... robotaxis/

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » October 1st, 2021, 5:16 pm

Sweden 32.9% BEV in August:

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To underline the huge demand for BEV models, each of these top 5 BEVs sold more units that the #1 best selling petrol vehicle, the Ford Focus (483 units).



- https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/01/sw ... ate-ahead/

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby scrumpyjack » October 1st, 2021, 5:20 pm

Yes I'm very happy with my ID4 and I suspect most drivers do not want a sports car, which is what the Tesla model 3 seems to be.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 2nd, 2021, 12:21 am

scrumpyjack wrote:Yes I'm very happy with my ID4 and I suspect most drivers do not want a sports car, which is what the Tesla model 3 seems to be.


There are many reasons why someone buys a particular car. Currently there are enough people who want a Tesla to keep their giga factories in full production and the waiting list for forthcoming models large.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 2nd, 2021, 10:33 am

Diess and Brandstatter hold a crisis meeting with 120 area managers in an attempt to save VW:

https://news.in-24.com/business/189808.html

Compared to Tesla and Chinese manufacturers, VW is too expensive and slow, both emphasized. Now it is a matter of taking up the “fight against Grünheide”. Grünheide is the site of Giga Berlin.

Thursday evening at 5 p.m. in the factory forum in Wolfsburg. VW boss Herbert Diess and brand boss Ralf Brandstätter stand side by side on the stage. It’s serious. The brand and the group are coming under increasing pressure on the world market. The world’s largest car manufacturer is not only lagging behind its competitors when it comes to electrification and digitization. VW is also losing ground when it comes to productivity. If everything stays the same, so the haunting words of Diess, VW will no longer be competitive.

It looks like VW's active management know what is going on although whether the same thoughts are with the board, the 120 area managers, unions and employees is far from clear.

Diess is trying to get a new much more advanced factory built with many more radical ideas and increases in production performance. In essence Diess wants VW to become a 'start-up' developing essentially new technology and new production methods and to do it all quickly or face oblivion as a car manufacturer of yesteryear.

This lack of VW competitiveness should come as no surprise to any reader of this board, the big question is whether DIess can turn the ship around before it hits the iceberg which many of the VW board still do not see. Given what Diess said the shares of VW look massively over priced to me. To do what he wants will require a lot of capital and it will require tame unions, a tame board and tame politicians, none of these groups are noted for being quiet and constructive.

Diess notes:
A Tesla 3 is built in ten hours, more than three times as fast as a VW ID.3 in Zwickau. This puts Tesla in a different dimension when it comes to productivity and profitability.

One should also remember that VW are the most advanced of the legacy car makers in their move to electrification. Ford are beginning to act, but most of the others are assuming that ICE and/or PHEV will carry on at current or better levels for decades to come and are not concerned about the Chinese car markers who Diess says are producing cars at a much faster rate. Meanwhile Toyota are fixated on hydrogen with no obvious ways to economically make the hydrogen or create the fuelling infrastructure.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 2nd, 2021, 6:07 pm

Tesla announce production and delivery for q3:

https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/tesl ... deliveries

Now on 12 month view (4xq3) this implies now capable of 1 million vehicles per year with out Berlin or Texas.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » October 3rd, 2021, 11:21 pm

Interesting video (9min 21secs) shows the beta for fsd is now setup to begin manoeuvre, but until it gets a confirmation from the driver via the accelerator pedal it does nothing or moves very slowly. This seems like a very good idea for a beta to both test the software and avoid any crashes from mistakes it may be making:

https://youtu.be/79SSvkoUNtg

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