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Labour promise free broadband- Openreach to be nationalised

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Labour promise free broadband- Openreach to be nationalised

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Postby AleisterCrowley » November 14th, 2019, 10:17 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50427369

Labour has promised to give every home and business in the UK free full-fibre broadband by 2030, if it wins the general election.

The party would nationalise part of BT to deliver the policy and introduce a tax on tech giants to help pay for it.

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Re: Labour promise free broadband- Openreach to be nationalised

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Postby Dod101 » November 14th, 2019, 11:16 pm

Ha! Ha! Ha!

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Re: Labour promise free broadband- Openreach to be nationalised

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Postby ayshfm1 » November 14th, 2019, 11:47 pm

McDonnell wants everything nationalised, he just can't say that right now.

Nationalising Openreach could be entertaining. BT might be able to transfer a good 50% of it's final pension liability back to HMG at that point.

But the reality is he'd nationalise all of BT, might as well do the job properly.

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Postby Alaric » November 15th, 2019, 12:06 am

ayshfm1 wrote:McDonnell wants everything nationalised, he just can't say that right now.


"Commanding heights of the economy" is what the Attlee government said. That used to be coal and steel, perhaps Openreach is the modern equivalent.

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Postby Lanark » November 15th, 2019, 12:44 am

I just know there will be a catch with this.

Here's your new "free" broadband connection... oh you wanted to download data from it? well you see thats an extra service...

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Re: Labour promise free broadband- Openreach to be nationalised

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Postby supremetwo » November 15th, 2019, 2:48 am

I can see all the other providers taking HMG to court for loss of earnings.

Also, if still in the EU, would not be permitted under competition/state aid rules. Telefónica (O2) for starters would be an objector.

What exactly is the EU membership policy under labour?

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Postby JohnB » November 15th, 2019, 6:24 am

The rise of 5G will probably make landline broadband obsolete on those timescales. Already many resent paying for a landline for telephone calls just to get access to broadbank.

A foolish idea.

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Postby Arborbridge » November 15th, 2019, 7:26 am

No less that government sponsored theft. And theft, furthermore, from many people with fairly modest assets and pension earnings.
It'll be popular with quite a big slice of the population, which I suppose would justify this theft as being the will of the people - that same tricksy phrase that the Tories use to justify their policies.


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Postby JohnB » November 15th, 2019, 8:06 am

A summary of 5G vs broadband. Its on a 5g site, but reasonably neutral. https://5g.co.uk/guides/5g-vs-fibre-broadband/

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Postby ayshfm1 » November 15th, 2019, 8:41 am

supremetwo wrote:
What exactly is the EU membership policy under labour?


Not to tell you because they can't agree internally. However Corbyn etc want to leave and for precisely the reason you outlined, the EU over rules national government so Corbyn would find himself in hot water. He and I are on the same page here, national governments make the decisions not Brussels. It does mean though that if (or when) we leave then a Corbyn government would be free to do whatever he wanted.
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Postby simoan » November 15th, 2019, 8:44 am

Well, if you've ever wondered how the customer service of your broadband supplier could get any worse... now you know! :-)

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Re: Labour promise free broadband- Openreach to be nationalised

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Postby tjh290633 » November 15th, 2019, 8:46 am

What about those who get Virgin and other cable services? How will they organise that?

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Postby ayshfm1 » November 15th, 2019, 8:49 am

tjh290633 wrote:What about those who get Virgin and other cable services? How will they organise that?

TJH


McDonnell said they could either join his British Broadband entity or he'd nationalise them too. But again it's smoke, he intends to nationalise everything at some point, it doesn't matter what they do, the less supine they are the quicker they go into public ownership.

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Postby ayshfm1 » November 15th, 2019, 8:53 am

JohnB wrote:A summary of 5G vs broadband. Its on a 5g site, but reasonably neutral. https://5g.co.uk/guides/5g-vs-fibre-broadband/


It'll all be nationalised so it's pretty moot and you'll use what they tell you to use (and have it taken off you if your step out of line), they are those kind of socialists.

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Postby richfool » November 15th, 2019, 10:03 am

I just hope that Corbin and McDonnell have a large part of their pension funds invested in BT and the utilities.

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Postby Alaric » November 15th, 2019, 10:07 am

richfool wrote:I just hope that Corbin and McDonnell have a large part of their pension funds invested in BT and the utilities.


It's not their problem as they would have accrued rights in a defined benefit scheme from their long tenure as MPs. I'm not even sure the Parliament scheme is funded. The Civil Service scheme and some other public sector schemes aren't.

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Postby SalvorHardin » November 15th, 2019, 10:27 am

Given the track record of state owned industries, no doubt we can look forward to being upgraded from fibre broadband to ADSL.

After all, what did Socialists use for light before candles? Electricity

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Postby fca2019 » November 15th, 2019, 12:09 pm

Australia implemented a wholesale nationalised broadband roll-out, and it went badly (apparently). Higher costs, and lower uptake, so the plans were pulled back.

But don't let reality stop the implementation of hard left socialism!! :lol: :lol:

(Although I would not quite as some make out, because they are saying they would compensate shareholders as with all planned nationalisation with gilts, but not at market value, so would be worse off.)

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Postby AleisterCrowley » November 15th, 2019, 1:25 pm

"Labour has promised to give every home and business in the UK "
Working in telecoms I know that providing a service to 100% of the population is pretty much impossible
The last 1% can cost a LOT more than the easier-to-cover premises. Think Scottish Islands etc
I guess they could use satellite broadband , but they specifically mention "full-fibre broadband"

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Postby Watis » November 15th, 2019, 2:12 pm

AleisterCrowley wrote:"Labour has promised to give every home and business in the UK "
Working in telecoms I know that providing a service to 100% of the population is pretty much impossible
The last 1% can cost a LOT more than the easier-to-cover premises. Think Scottish Islands etc
I guess they could use satellite broadband , but they specifically mention "full-fibre broadband"



That's fine, no matter how much it costs.

They are not paying - we are! :shock:

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