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Labour promise free broadband- Openreach to be nationalised

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Re: Labour promise free broadband- Openreach to be nationalised

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Postby TUK020 » November 15th, 2019, 9:19 pm

JohnB wrote:A summary of 5G vs broadband. Its on a 5g site, but reasonably neutral. https://5g.co.uk/guides/5g-vs-fibre-broadband/

I had a scan and thought it was pretty much missing the point.

FWA is probably good for the last 1-500m depending on topology, tree cover etc.
But how do you think the FWA base station is connected to the core network? by fibre.....

5G you can think of as the last tail connection by wireless, from a backbone system which is served by 'fibre to the cabinet'

Trying to connect that hamlet of 10 dwellings in the highlands...it is not the cost of wirelessly hooking up the 10 dwellings in the hamlet, but the 5 miles of fibre trench that needs to be dug to get to the hamlet in the first place.

5G will be built on top of the fibre roll out, not in competition to it

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Postby JohnB » November 15th, 2019, 10:19 pm

Maybe, but the Labour plan is to pay for FTTH for everyone, not to provide free 5G coverage.

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Postby Spet0789 » November 15th, 2019, 10:49 pm

FT reporting that £1.5bn of investment in fibre broadband on hold following this announcement.

I think we can safely guarantee that if this scheme goes ahead the broadband roll-out will be slow, expensive and unresponsive.

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Postby Dod101 » November 15th, 2019, 11:11 pm

The reason that I said Ha! Ha! Ha! last evening is because it is not going to happen even if a Labour Government came to power. The subsequent posts have illustrated that. Watch for ever more extravagant Labour promises as the campaign progresses. It is mostly pie in the sky stuff and they must know that, although Comrade Corbyn might not as he is seriously dim.

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Postby Alaric » November 15th, 2019, 11:23 pm

Spet0789 wrote:FT reporting that £1.5bn of investment in fibre broadband on hold following this announcement.


It still relies on the magic money tree, but the other way of making the announcement would have been that government contracts would be available to Broadband providers to extend coverage and provide a service free at the point of delivery.

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Postby PeterGray » November 16th, 2019, 11:46 am

I think there can be a good case made for public provision of basic infrastructure, whatever the fine print of the LP proposals. One of the most wasteful decisions of the Thatcher era was forcing the independent private provision of mobile and telephone infrastructure. As a result instead of a single integrated set of mobile masts we have up to 4 sets providing different incompatible coverage, and at one mad time in the 80s we had telephone companies digging up streets to provide competing telephone boxes - for a few years we had 3 different sets of phone boxes adjacent to each other round the corner from where I lived - complete madness.

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Postby AleisterCrowley » November 16th, 2019, 3:22 pm

TUK020 wrote:...
Trying to connect that hamlet of 10 dwellings in the highlands...it is not the cost of wirelessly hooking up the 10 dwellings in the hamlet, but the 5 miles of fibre trench that needs to be dug to get to the hamlet in the first place.

5G will be built on top of the fibre roll out, not in competition to it


yes, transmission to some sites is horrendously expensive. I've seen ECCs (exceptional construction costs) in the tens of thousands in some cases - that's on top of the normal connection charge. It's trenching, wayleaves etc. And fibre has been impossible to some locations so we've used multi-hop microwave, which isn't cheap

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Postby Spet0789 » November 16th, 2019, 4:44 pm

PeterGray wrote:I think there can be a good case made for public provision of basic infrastructure, whatever the fine print of the LP proposals. One of the most wasteful decisions of the Thatcher era was forcing the independent private provision of mobile and telephone infrastructure. As a result instead of a single integrated set of mobile masts we have up to 4 sets providing different incompatible coverage, and at one mad time in the 80s we had telephone companies digging up streets to provide competing telephone boxes - for a few years we had 3 different sets of phone boxes adjacent to each other round the corner from where I lived - complete madness.


That’s an argument for public funding and regulation of these basic utilities. It’s absolutely not an argument for public provision.

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Postby johnhemming » November 16th, 2019, 5:58 pm

Having experienced running public and private bodies I am strongly of the view to minimise direct provision by the state.

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Postby JohnB » November 16th, 2019, 10:26 pm

I do long for electricity billing to be nationalised, it would save so much faffing round comparing deals, and expensive churn. No objection to power plants being private and touting their rates to the national body. As there are many routes to internet provision, it needs to remain private.

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Postby BobbyD » November 17th, 2019, 1:41 am

JohnB wrote:I do long for electricity billing to be nationalised, it would save so much faffing round comparing deals, and expensive churn. No objection to power plants being private and touting their rates to the national body. As there are many routes to internet provision, it needs to remain private.


But how do you leave when noticeably uncompetative prices and ridiculously poor service become too much?

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Postby redsturgeon » November 17th, 2019, 1:38 pm

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