odysseus2000 wrote:Mercedes Tesla partnership on electric Sprinter?
https://electrek.co/2018/11/19/tesla-me ... elon-musk/
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Why wold they partner up with a company doomed to collapse?
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odysseus2000 wrote:Mercedes Tesla partnership on electric Sprinter?
https://electrek.co/2018/11/19/tesla-me ... elon-musk/
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odysseus2000 wrote:Which one is doomed to collapse and why?
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BobbyD wrote:odysseus2000 wrote:Which one is doomed to collapse and why?
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I seem to recall somebody saying, repetatively and at length, that legacy car makers were living on borrowed time, and the German automakers didn't know what was about to hit them... don't recall who though.
odysseus2000 wrote:BobbyD wrote:odysseus2000 wrote:Which one is doomed to collapse and why?
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I seem to recall somebody saying, repetatively and at length, that legacy car makers were living on borrowed time, and the German automakers didn't know what was about to hit them... don't recall who though.
Yes, legacy makers are vulnerable, but Mercedes is not a legacy car maker like VW is and sells to folk prepared to pay very high margins for the Mercedes name such that it is imho one of the car makers most likely to do well as its cars only have to fight Tesla and not all the upcoming Chinese, Malaysian and low cost Tesla as well which is what VW will have to do.
BMW is also a bit of high margin addicts car, but imho it doesn't have the range and resources to compete effectively with Tesla and is stuck with its UK plants as well making stuff that will be hit by lower cost imports
GM in the States is another legacy maker that I expect to have another bankruptcy following on from many others. Ford too could get hurt.
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BobbyD wrote:odysseus2000 wrote:BobbyD wrote:
I seem to recall somebody saying, repetatively and at length, that legacy car makers were living on borrowed time, and the German automakers didn't know what was about to hit them... don't recall who though.
Yes, legacy makers are vulnerable, but Mercedes is not a legacy car maker like VW is and sells to folk prepared to pay very high margins for the Mercedes name such that it is imho one of the car makers most likely to do well as its cars only have to fight Tesla and not all the upcoming Chinese, Malaysian and low cost Tesla as well which is what VW will have to do.
BMW is also a bit of high margin addicts car, but imho it doesn't have the range and resources to compete effectively with Tesla and is stuck with its UK plants as well making stuff that will be hit by lower cost imports
GM in the States is another legacy maker that I expect to have another bankruptcy following on from many others. Ford too could get hurt.
Regards,
Sorry that's right Mercedes aren't a car manufacturer at all, but a sales and marketing team selling badly engineered vehicles for ridiculous amounts of money... Still not sure why Tesla would be interested...
DiamondEcho wrote:Is there a website where one can compare brands/models and say 'total cost of ownership' over perhaps 1, 3, 5 years?
We'll be buying a car likely next year and it'll be neither German (nor French), but it'd be useful to line up British (JLR + ?) versus Japanese brands/others...
odysseus2000 wrote:BobbyD wrote:odysseus2000 wrote:
Yes, legacy makers are vulnerable, but Mercedes is not a legacy car maker like VW is and sells to folk prepared to pay very high margins for the Mercedes name such that it is imho one of the car makers most likely to do well as its cars only have to fight Tesla and not all the upcoming Chinese, Malaysian and low cost Tesla as well which is what VW will have to do.
BMW is also a bit of high margin addicts car, but imho it doesn't have the range and resources to compete effectively with Tesla and is stuck with its UK plants as well making stuff that will be hit by lower cost imports
GM in the States is another legacy maker that I expect to have another bankruptcy following on from many others. Ford too could get hurt.
Regards,
Sorry that's right Mercedes aren't a car manufacturer at all, but a sales and marketing team selling badly engineered vehicles for ridiculous amounts of money... Still not sure why Tesla would be interested...
Tesla get a new market for their technology.
BobbyD wrote:odysseus2000 wrote:BobbyD wrote:
Sorry that's right Mercedes aren't a car manufacturer at all, but a sales and marketing team selling badly engineered vehicles for ridiculous amounts of money... Still not sure why Tesla would be interested...
Tesla get a new market for their technology.
Why wold Tesla want the reputational risk of being associated with the purveyors of expensive poorly engineered vehicles? Or does dealing with Musk cast a new light on the quality of their products?
BobbyD Why wold Tesla want the reputational risk of being associated with the purveyors of expensive poorly engineered vehicles? Or does dealing with Musk cast a new light on the quality of their products?
Howard wrote:BobbyD wrote:odysseus2000 wrote:
Tesla get a new market for their technology.
Why wold Tesla want the reputational risk of being associated with the purveyors of expensive poorly engineered vehicles? Or does dealing with Musk cast a new light on the quality of their products?
The sensible answer, to help Ody out, is that Mercedes commercial vehicles have a brilliant reliability record across the world, possibly second to none.
And Tesla have a really bad record for reliability at the moment. So they would benefit from the link with the Mercedes brand.
Howard
The sensible answer, to help Ody out, is that Mercedes commercial vehicles have a brilliant reliability record across the world, possibly second to none.
And Tesla have a really bad record for reliability at the moment. So they would benefit from the link with the Mercedes brand.
At the moment, any logistics company would need their head examined if they replaced their diesel van/lorry fleet with Tesla vehicles. They'd probably perform worse than Network Rail!!
So it will be interesting to see if Mercedes help Tesla out with the Sprinter project. Europeans aren't stupid and are quite good at negotiating as others are finding out, so Mercedes are likely to drive a hard bargain.
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Howard
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A subdistrict court in Midden-Nederland has reiterated, in its second statement, that the driver using his mobile phone in a Tesla car on autopilot should indeed be fined. The driver, in defense, argued that this should not be the case as the autopilot was on and should be considered the responsible driver. He noted that there was software to ensure the car can steer and brake, without the need for human intervention. The court disagreed. The driver was earlier given a fine of EUR 230.
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