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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » January 21st, 2021, 8:15 pm

Howard
I think we both have experience of "see(ing) what friends and associates buy and more importantly what motivates their buying". To be realistic there aren't many people in the UK who don't have this experience.

Have you ever been a senior manager or director of a medium or large manufacturing company and been part of a team tackling the type of manufacturing issues we discuss in your thread? Maybe Production Control Manager of a major US owned plant or Director of a UK manufacturer?

Have you been inside a number of high tech manufacturing companies in California and the Boston area and had the chance to look at their processes?


The number of folk who can go from seeing what people buy, to making money with investments/trading is small.

Most of my management experience has been in research groups, supervising PhD students, project managing a NASA subcontracted experiment. During this kind of research I have seen all manner of technologies, most of which took (is taking) decades to get into practical and routine use. I hold patents.

Nowadays I prefer to be self employed. I have several nano scale business that make things, produce honey bee derived products etc in addition to various fiction writing projects and investment/ trading.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » January 21st, 2021, 10:09 pm

The Munroe trip continues:

https://youtu.be/emndV4H1G-g

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » January 22nd, 2021, 11:37 am

Tesla is slashing the price of its media unit upgrade for Model S and Model X by $1,000.

While the move would generally be welcomed by owners, some are skeptical of Tesla’s intentions amid the controversy around a potential recall.


- https://electrek.co/2021/01/22/tesla-sl ... ntroversy/

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » January 22nd, 2021, 11:46 am

Norway Plans To Stop All New Combustion Vehicle Sales By 2025


- https://www.rideapart.com/news/466560/n ... lans-2025/

...and seven months later someone wrote about it...

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby Howard » January 22nd, 2021, 4:43 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:The Munroe trip continues:

https://youtu.be/emndV4H1G-g

Regards,


Thank you Ody for sharing this video. It's good of you, considering what it reveals about the limitations of a Tesla.

Sandy is really frank about the low range of his Tesla in windy conditions.

Quote: "I found some things that shocked me .. I knew that going up hill was going to be an issue for range. I didn't realise how much of an impact wind was going to have ... so instead of getting the 350 mile range we are looking at 190 or 220, that's about the best we could get."

See 3 minutes onwards for his admission.

Tesla fans seem to be taking their time to acknowledge the results which Tesla owners and reputable Testing organisations like "Which" have been reporting for the last year or so.

Sandy, whose expertise has been praised so much on this thread, is coming to terms with the real life range of the Model 3 in the sort of winter weather conditions we have in the UK.

Another fun fact. :)

regards

Howard

PS If only they'd fix the flappy bits on the undertray with more fasteners the wind resistance might be less and the range might be improved.

I'll get my coat, it's windy outside. ;)

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » January 22nd, 2021, 5:23 pm

For a road vehicle company VW sure are moving a lot of things off the road and on to trains.

To deliver the batteries to Zwickau in as environmentally compatible a way as possible, the cell modules are collected from the supplier’s plant in Wroclaw, Poland by rail with DB Cargo and first shipped to the Brunswick plant of Volkswagen Group Components. For rail transport in Germany, 100 percent eco-power is used. At Brunswick, the cells are unloaded fully automatically and assembled to produce battery systems. These are then loaded onto trains fully automatically and shipped to Zwickau by rail. Here too, electric power from renewable sources is used. For the last mile between the loading and unloading station at Harvesse and the factory at Brunswick, the shipment containers are loaded onto electric trucks as the rail system at Brunswick does not yet extend up to the assembly point.


https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/ ... d-id4-6649

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » January 22nd, 2021, 5:28 pm

Howard
Sandy is really frank about the low range of his Tesla in windy conditions.

Quote: "I found some things that shocked me .. I knew that going up hill was going to be an issue for range. I didn't realise how much of an impact wind was going to have ... so instead of getting the 350 mile range we are looking at 190 or 220, that's about the best we could get."

See 3 minutes onwards for his admission.

Tesla fans seem to be taking their time to acknowledge the results which Tesla owners and reputable Testing organisations like "Which" have been reporting for the last year or so.

Sandy, whose expertise has been praised so much on this thread, is coming to terms with the real life range of the Model 3 in the sort of winter weather conditions we have in the UK.


I am amazed that this stuff is surprising to folk.

It is very basic physics that is mostly propulsion system independent.

Do the same with ICE cars and you will get similar results.

Anyone who has logged ICE fuel consumption over the seasons will see similar effects as will comparison with flat and hill driving. If the winds blow from the tail then they help rather than hinder. One even sees this on transatlantic jets.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » January 22nd, 2021, 6:25 pm

Aptera is an interesting move, a kind of cross between a small car and a motor bike and benefiting from low consumption, on board solar and skin cooling:

https://youtu.be/4DhzkUnIh58

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » January 22nd, 2021, 6:29 pm

odysseus2000 wrote:
Howard
Sandy is really frank about the low range of his Tesla in windy conditions.

Quote: "I found some things that shocked me .. I knew that going up hill was going to be an issue for range. I didn't realise how much of an impact wind was going to have ... so instead of getting the 350 mile range we are looking at 190 or 220, that's about the best we could get."

See 3 minutes onwards for his admission.

Tesla fans seem to be taking their time to acknowledge the results which Tesla owners and reputable Testing organisations like "Which" have been reporting for the last year or so.

Sandy, whose expertise has been praised so much on this thread, is coming to terms with the real life range of the Model 3 in the sort of winter weather conditions we have in the UK.


I am amazed that this stuff is surprising to folk.

It is very basic physics that is mostly propulsion system independent.

Do the same with ICE cars and you will get similar results.

Anyone who has logged ICE fuel consumption over the seasons will see similar effects as will comparison with flat and hill driving. If the winds blow from the tail then they help rather than hinder. One even sees this on transatlantic jets.

Regards,


I'm not surprised most people are surprised, but an automotive oracle such as Sandy...

The solution though is obvious. Somebody should start criss crossing America with tunnels!

Speaking of which Elon is looking to send Miami crashing in to the sea...

Elon Musk wants to build tunnels under Miami

‘Road tunnels under Miami would solve traffic & be an example to the world,’ claims Tesla CEO


- https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 91247.html

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby ReformedCharacter » January 22nd, 2021, 7:05 pm

Spacex has bought 2 oil rigs for $3.5 million with the intention that they should -

serve as floating spaceports. Named Phobos and Deimos, after the two moons of Mars, they are currently undergoing modifications to support Starship launch operations.

The spaceports would be placed far enough offshore to mitigate noise from Starship’s Raptor engines as well as the sonic booms created by landing stages, both the Starship spacecraft and the Super Heavy booster.

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2021/01 ... paceports/

RC

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » January 22nd, 2021, 7:10 pm

Much more in depth technical discussion of the Aptera:

https://youtu.be/tZqx_n7MnsE

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby dspp » January 22nd, 2021, 8:00 pm

Howard wrote:
Sandy, whose expertise has been praised so much on this thread,

Howard


Sandy Munro, whose expertise has been much praised by Howard.

As far as I am concerned Sandy is just another strip-down & reverse-engineer cost-engineer. I am saying that as an engineer myself, and I recognise it as part of the skillset, but not the whole skillset. So whilst I pay attention to Sandy I eat selectively. I don't believe Sandy has ever gotten a consulting gig out of Tesla.

Sandy is also somebody that sold all his TSLA shares, apparently prior to the ginormous run up (10x or so), and reportedly sunk the proceeds into the 3-wheeler Aptera who he also consults for. Personally I don't rate 3-wheelers for anything other than niche applications, YMMV.

Funny old world.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby Howard » January 22nd, 2021, 8:10 pm

dspp wrote:
Howard wrote:
Sandy, whose expertise has been praised so much on this thread,

Howard


Sandy Munro, whose expertise has been much praised by Howard.

As far as I am concerned Sandy is just another strip-down & reverse-engineer cost-engineer. I am saying that as an engineer myself, and I recognise it as part of the skillset, but not the whole skillset. So whilst I pay attention to Sandy I eat selectively. I don't believe Sandy has ever gotten a consulting gig out of Tesla.

Sandy is also somebody that sold all his TSLA shares, apparently prior to the ginormous run up (10x or so), and reportedly sunk the proceeds into the 3-wheeler Aptera who he also consults for. Personally I don't rate 3-wheelers for anything other than niche applications, YMMV.

Funny old world.

regards, dspp


dspp

You could at least be accurate. I haven't mentioned Sandy until this week when I think it would be fair to say I was pretty critical. But I must admit I did enjoy his expose of the poor quality of engineering of the Model 3 floor pan. :)

A lot of the fake praise of imagined Tesla features by YouTube pundits is being eroded. Is the pressure on fans telling! ;)

Sandy has been much praised by Ody. And, correct me if I'm wrong, you've added a link or two to him in the past?

I am fan of "Which" magazine which has consistently run accurate tests on real ranges of Teslas.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » January 22nd, 2021, 8:31 pm

Munro model 3 strip down, episode 4:

https://youtu.be/eEZPlnCEuaw

Main point is that Tesla are evolving the model at a rapid rate.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » January 22nd, 2021, 8:47 pm

Howard
But I must admit I did enjoy his expose of the poor quality of engineering of the Model 3 floor pan. :)

A lot of the fake praise of imagined Tesla features by YouTube pundits is being eroded. Is the pressure on fans telling! ;)


Sandy is clever like Musk and they both are very good at presenting complicated things in simple ways.

Musk is selling Tesla, Monroe is selling himself: He knows full well the limits of physics on vehilcle performance and range, but he also knows how to interest and capture folk who have much less technical knowledge and who think they are gaining insights that are very new.

On the engineering comparisons it is still clear that Tesla are well in front of all other entrants on things that matter: Performance, Range, safety, over the air updates, super charger network and Tesla are continually upgrading. There are comparisons between the model 3 now and at launch showing that the HVAC changes have increased efficiency by around 30%.

The Aptera which Munroe likes looks a very competent 3 wheeler to me and I expect it to sell, just as the Reliant 3 wheeler sold to a subset of people who wanted what it offered. In that case it was spoiled by its tendency to flip over. The Altera has the same limitations, but they have spread out the front wheels to reduce the problem. For someone with a lot of space or a limited budget with transport needs that the Altera can supply, it is outstanding, but for folk who need a family car that has space for 2 adults and 2 kids, is safer and has carrying capacity then it falls short and would for example be of no interest to me.

The additional blessing from a makers perspective of a 3 wheeler car is that the regulations are much less onerous that for a 4 wheel variant.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » January 22nd, 2021, 9:56 pm

dspp wrote:
Howard wrote:
Sandy, whose expertise has been praised so much on this thread,

Howard


Sandy Munro, whose expertise has been much praised by Howard.


Is that Ody's first name? What a coincidence.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby dspp » January 22nd, 2021, 10:29 pm

BobbyD wrote:
dspp wrote:
Howard wrote:
Sandy, whose expertise has been praised so much on this thread,

Howard


Sandy Munro, whose expertise has been much praised by Howard.


Is that Ody's first name? What a coincidence.


Apologies if I am muddling up the different Sandy-luvvers :) Seriously, I make my own mind up.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby BobbyD » January 22nd, 2021, 10:29 pm

Based on preliminary figures, the Volkswagen Group expects the following for the full year 2020:

Operating profit before special items related to diesel of around 10 billion Euros

Reported Automotive net cash flow of around 6 billion Euros


- https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/ ... -2020-6770

If you are going to have bad years, these are probably the sort you want to have...

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » January 22nd, 2021, 11:35 pm

Tesla have apparently signed a contract with a Canadian water treatment specialist for high Texas:

https://youtu.be/bCMz1GHnh1s

The presenter waffles some what, but the news if confirmed, potentially suggests there is currently no solvent free battery production so that the existing tech is being used, or that something new is happening. The earnings call next week may give details.

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Re: Musk endeavours

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Postby odysseus2000 » January 23rd, 2021, 11:19 am

JD Power, latest EV survery, ranks Tesla as number 1:

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-jd-powe ... hip-study/

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