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EV architecture divide automakers
A new debate is raging among the world's automotive companies, and it will likely take years to sort out. Its simple question: Should electric cars be constructed differently from combustion-engine cars?
Ulf Sudowe says yes.
The r&d director for chassis at Spanish supplier Gestamp Automoción gives the example of the time it tested an electric motor on the subframe of a standard Volkswagen Up minicar.
"Everything was destroyed," Sudowe said. The ramp-up of torque for an electric motor happens so fast, he said, that a standard subframe couldn't cope.
odysseus2000 wrote:Tesla model S far faster than the Porsche at Nurburgring:
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/09/22/te ... -vehicles/
The S is also cheaper, but for Porsche it is issue of why would anyone buy a ice Porsche when BEV are much better.
Perhaps Porsche margins won't be the cash cows that they were.
Regards,
odysseus2000 wrote:Tesla model S far faster than the Porsche at Nurburgring:
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/09/22/te ... -vehicles/
The S is also cheaper, but for Porsche it is issue of why would anyone buy a ice Porsche when BEV are much better.
Perhaps Porsche margins won't be the cash cows that they were.
Regards,
Howard wrote:odysseus2000 wrote:Tesla model S far faster than the Porsche at Nurburgring:
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/09/22/te ... -vehicles/
The S is also cheaper, but for Porsche it is issue of why would anyone buy a ice Porsche when BEV are much better.
Perhaps Porsche margins won't be the cash cows that they were.
Regards,
Ody
Is there a danger that you are showing basic ignorance of premium car buyers here?
People who buy cars like Porsches don't just consider speed. They may see it as rather "juvenile". Teslas are rather basic cars, lacking some of the driving controls of a nice car. There is much more to a brand than just raw speed. Driving a Porsche on normal roads isn't about top speed or acceleration. It's a quality experience.
You have been making claims like this for years. But have you done your research? Have you driven a new Porsche or even a Tesla? There is a lot more to a car than just the basics.
regards
Howard
Howard wrote:Ody
...Have you driven a new Porsche or even a Tesla?
Porsche were the sports car to buy, the symbol that the buyer had made a packet and that they want everyone to know.
odysseus2000 wrote:But the Porsche brand of ICE motors is so 20th century.
odysseus2000 wrote:The direct competitor for Porsche is now the coming Tesla roadster, it is green yet likely faster than all production ICE cars and its relatively expensive.
odysseus2000 wrote:If Tesla want more nice publicity they will give Greta a Tesla when she passes her driving test.
"Zuffenhausen was not the preferred location," Werner Weresch, chairman of the plant's works council, said during the factory's opening ceremonies on Monday. "It's all about finance," Porsche's spokesperson for human resources, Matthias Rauter, later continued. "It would be much more easier to build [the factory] somewhere in the middle of nowhere."
But Porsche's factory workers and management board wanted to bring Taycan production to Zuffenhausen. This plant is where Porsche builds its iconic 911. This plant is where the 356, Porsche's first sports car, was produced in 1950. The employees insisted, "The Taycan has to be built in Zuffenhausen, at the heart of Porsche," Rauter said.
So the employees put their money where their mouths are. The union workers agreed to give up 0.25% of all their scheduled wage increases between 2017 and 2025, under the condition that it eventually be paid back. What's more, certain Stuttgart-based management and board members agreed to give up 0.5% of their scheduled raises, with no guarantee that they'd see that money again.
"It was the idea of the works council," Rauter said. The idea was that, "At the end, they are in a better position than before."
Rauter said that, starting in 2021 and ending in 2030, employees who participate in this program will receive annual paybacks of 760 euros. In all, the program is designed to give the workers all of their money back, with compound interest of 0.03%. After the money is paid back, when the employees are eligible for raises again, those increases "will be based on the assumption they had those pay raises before," another Porsche spokesperson confirmed.
In all, Porsche says 25,000 employees initially opted in for this funding, which resulted in 25% of the 700 million euro investment needed to open the new Zuffenhausen facility. That number has grown to nearly 34,000 workers today.
BobbyD
If Greta wants to be really green she will drive an ID.3, whose production is carbon neutral, and run it on VW's 100% CO2 green energy supply.
odysseus2000 wrote:Howard
Tesla aren’t growing fast enough to re-structure an industry. In producing sub-standard cars, they are conceding the quality high ground to their competitors and giving them time to develop superior products. It could be argued that the re-structuring of the car industry is being led by politicians, regulators and, perhaps even a 16 year old gIrl.
Politicians & regulators & 16 year old girls have made how many cars?
The status quo in the car industry pre-Tesla was that the politicians & their appointed regulators were in a deep complacent relationship with the ice makers.
Regards,
.odysseus2000 wrote:Still I have to congratulate VW on their marketing & PR which has many believing things that will never be.
Regards,
Howard wrote:odysseus2000 wrote:Howard
Tesla aren’t growing fast enough to re-structure an industry. In producing sub-standard cars, they are conceding the quality high ground to their competitors and giving them time to develop superior products. It could be argued that the re-structuring of the car industry is being led by politicians, regulators and, perhaps even a 16 year old gIrl.
Politicians & regulators & 16 year old girls have made how many cars?
The status quo in the car industry pre-Tesla was that the politicians & their appointed regulators were in a deep complacent relationship with the ice makers.
Regards,
I see you are now a convert to Greta Thunberg's cause having dismissed her a month ago!
Glad to see you have been won over
regards
Howard
odysseus2000 wrote:Greta has proved to be a lot more than a very brave and skilled yacht woman and when facts change so do I.
After $5 Billion in Losses, China’s NIO Battles for Survival
It took Tesla Inc. about 15 years to rack up $5 billion in losses. The company some regarded as China’s Tesla did it in four.
And the bleeding continues. Shanghai-based NIO Inc. is poised to report Tuesday that it lost another 2.6 billion yuan ($369 million) — around $4 million a day — during the second quarter, according to the average of two analysts’ estimates. That would bring accumulated losses at the company, which is backed by technology giant Tencent Holdings Ltd., to about $5.7 billion since William Li founded the carmaker in 2014.
Cost overruns, weak sales, and major recalls have led NIO to plunge about 74% since its market value hit a record $11.9 billion about a year ago. More broadly, the company’s reversal of fortune illustrates why concerns are mounting that China created an electric-vehicle bubble that may be about to burst.
After $5 Billion in Losses, China's Tesla Battles for Survival
Bloomberg
Howard wrote: But have you done your research? Have you driven a new Porsche or even a Tesla? There is a lot more to a car than just the basics.
TUK020 wrote:Howard wrote: But have you done your research? Have you driven a new Porsche or even a Tesla? There is a lot more to a car than just the basics.
You see, the Porsche doesn't even come with a flatbed truck.
Range-topping version of Porsche’s first all-electric car shows the rest of the world how it should be done
What is it?
I think this handsome thing is the world’s best electric car.
The new Porsche Taycan could well be the finest and most complete electric cars we’ve ever driven. It handles like a sports car, with savage acceleration and an agile, rewarding chassis – yet offers four seats and a usable range.
Stuttgart’s first EV is a proper Porsche – massively fast, great to drive, quick to charge and practical enough to use every day
New Porsche Taycan review - Stuttgart puts its stamp on the electric car era
Porsche’s first all electric car advances the electric car sector more than any that have come before.
Taycan is pure Porsche but with potent electric power
First drive - Porsche Taycan Turbo S: The future’s here, then, but it’s been worth the wait.
2020 Porsche Taycan review: it's an amazing machine – but electric cars won't save the world
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