The Lemon Fool

dspp wrote:

PeterGray wrote: I'm not best pleased, but in fact for me the big issue is that the general advice at the time - that diesel was better for the environment - was clearly wrong.

To be fair diesel was best for the environment from a global warming perspective, which is relevant to medium & long term human life. However petrol was better for the human environment in the short term (because diesel emit particulates and Nox & Sox).

Not exactly a distinction VW was hiding behind mind you

regards, dspp

odysseus2000 wrote:Meanwhile there is talk in the UK of a government funded and operated battery making factory(s) to make batteries so that folk here can make stuff.

odysseus2000 wrote:The model Y unveiling was interesting.

There was near fever pitched excitement, like it was a mega rick Band rather than a car, suggesting to me that there is substantial demand for Tesla going in the face of recent estimates suggesting they can't sell Tesla cars.

Elon gave a history lesson of how Tesla have gone from 0 cars to an expected 1 million in just over a decade & that within another decade he expected a Tesla to be driving on Mars.

Howard wrote:

odysseus2000 wrote:The model Y unveiling was interesting.

There was near fever pitched excitement, like it was a mega rick Band rather than a car, suggesting to me that there is substantial demand for Tesla going in the face of recent estimates suggesting they can't sell Tesla cars.

Elon gave a history lesson of how Tesla have gone from 0 cars to an expected 1 million in just over a decade & that within another decade he expected a Tesla to be driving on Mars.

Ody

Your comments are interesting. You almost seem to be suggesting that you believe the "substantial demand for Tesla" is more than their real sales of cars. Those of us questioning your views are putting forward arguments that the real sales of Tesla cars are way below Elon Musk's imaginary sales.

Your quote that "Tesla have gone from 0 cars to an expected 1 million in just over a decade" is an interesting one.

Some of us might say that the first 250,000 cars are the easiest. Financing and selling the next three quarters of a million may be more difficult.

regards

Howard

odysseus2000 wrote:The model Y unveiling was interesting.

There was near fever pitched excitement, like it was a mega rick Band rather than a car, suggesting to me that there is substantial demand for Tesla going in the face of recent estimates suggesting they can't sell Tesla cars.

The Y addresses issues of the previous line up not having an hatch back & the range & performance of the various options fit in well with existing Tesla motors.

Whether the Standard price of $39k is too much will be decided by the market, but in general estate versions have historically sold for a premium over saloons.

The new super chargers have a capacity of 1000 miles per hour, which is imho a useful & practical figure.

Elon gave a history lesson of how Tesla have gone from 0 cars to an expected 1 million in just over a decade & that within another decade he expected a Tesla to be driving on Mars.

Interesting too were his comments about storage & solar roofs which he said would receive more attention going forward after the all hands on deck times of 2018 for the model 3. Given the chancellors statement that new homes will soon be forbidden from carbon emission via natural gas, wood/coal I believe that solar roofs & storage will become important earners for Tesla.

Regards,

odysseus2000 wrote:Yes, but they are all possibilities, maybe, upto etc etc.

Until they start making them and folk can buy them it is all marketing.

Regards,

The Tesla Network Is Dead

A big part of Tesla’s (TSLA) growth story is built around the idea of the so-called Tesla Network, an autonomous vehicle service that CEO Elon Musk has claimed will compete with the likes of Uber (UBER) and Lyft (LYFT) in the ride-hailing sector. Thus, the March 6 update of the Tesla website comes as something of a shock to those investors who had been projecting big revenues from the Tesla Network in the near future. The updated website has actually removed all reference to the Tesla Network.

BobbyD wrote:Now down 4%. Not a massive slide by Tesla standards but probably not the response that a reveal which has been trailed for a year was hoped to bring.

Oh, also:

The Tesla Network Is Dead

A big part of Tesla’s (TSLA) growth story is built around the idea of the so-called Tesla Network, an autonomous vehicle service that CEO Elon Musk has claimed will compete with the likes of Uber (UBER) and Lyft (LYFT) in the ride-hailing sector. Thus, the March 6 update of the Tesla website comes as something of a shock to those investors who had been projecting big revenues from the Tesla Network in the near future. The updated website has actually removed all reference to the Tesla Network.

- https://seekingalpha.com/article/424890 ... twork-dead

odysseus2000 wrote:Perhaps in the by and by there will be another IPO, spinning off the Tesla Network, but will need more cars first. The development of the Tesla network was always a longer term project that will likely need robotic driving.

Regards,

Howard wrote:Tesla has benefited from some pretty significant government subsidies up to now.

odysseus2000 wrote:90% of electric owners won't return to gas:

https://insideevs.com/electric-car-owne ... et_3859001

Regards,