The Lemon Fool

odysseus2000 wrote:He feels this is a very good car for a taxi driver or some one who wants to make a slow transition from ICE to BEV

You mean, and I quote, 'a very good car' for most people?

NotSure wrote:

odysseus2000 wrote:He feels this is a very good car for a taxi driver or some one who wants to make a slow transition from ICE to BEV

You mean, and I quote, 'a very good car' for most people?

Yes, and that is so 20th century.

For the 21st century consumers want something that breaks with the old and gives them experiences, performance and convenience that is unique to the 21st century. It is the old story of the iPhone, the certainty of legacy that they people would not want all the bells and whistles of the iPhone, but would instead settle for a basic phone. The reality is that iPhones sell very well.

Regards,

odysseus2000 wrote: The reality is that iPhones sell very well.

Yes. So well they leave 85% of the market for the rest of the phone companies to have as customers.

I think you meant to say

"For the 21st century some consumers want something that breaks with the old and gives them experiences, performance and convenience that is unique to the 21st century. The majority just want a sensibly priced phone."

odysseus2000 wrote:
VW have created exactly what I expected: A cheaply made car with mediocre performance, poor ergonomics and nothing that would make me want to buy one.

Remind me what it was that Tesla did that meant you haven't bought one.

SpaceX wins Nasa contract to develop lunar lander for return to the moon:

https://guce.techcrunch.com/copyConsent ... lang=en-US

Regards,

dealtn wrote:

odysseus2000 wrote:
VW have created exactly what I expected: A cheaply made car with mediocre performance, poor ergonomics and nothing that would make me want to buy one.

Remind me what it was that Tesla did that meant you haven't bought one.

Working on this criteria it seems the only rationale investment in the automotive trade is Mercedes in the early 2000's... Now where's my time machine?

dealtn wrote:

odysseus2000 wrote: The reality is that iPhones sell very well.

Yes. So well they leave 85% of the market for the rest of the phone companies to have as customers.

I think you meant to say

"For the 21st century some consumers want something that breaks with the old and gives them experiences, performance and convenience that is unique to the 21st century. The majority just want a sensibly priced phone."

Except the majority find that a sensibly priced and reliable phone does not exist and that what they buy as supposedly fitting this description won't do many of things that one needs as a 21st century consumer.

Regards,

dealtn wrote:

odysseus2000 wrote:
VW have created exactly what I expected: A cheaply made car with mediocre performance, poor ergonomics and nothing that would make me want to buy one.

Remind me what it was that Tesla did that meant you haven't bought one.

Tesla have done nothing.

I am a cheap skate when it comes to spending money. I much prefer to watch what everyone else is doing and invest and trade accordingly while driving an old car which I service and repair myself as needed. Currently I am driving less than 1000 miles per year so I have no motivation to upgrade to a more modern motor.

Regards,

odysseus2000 wrote:I am a cheap skate when it comes to spending money. I much prefer to watch what everyone else is doing and invest and trade accordingly while driving an old car which I service and repair myself as needed.

Hint: Everybody else is buying VW's.

BobbyD wrote:

odysseus2000 wrote:I am a cheap skate when it comes to spending money. I much prefer to watch what everyone else is doing and invest and trade accordingly while driving an old car which I service and repair myself as needed.

Hint: Everybody else is buying VW's.

Are VW still selling cars to their own people as they did last year to generate turnover?

Regards,

odysseus2000 wrote:

BobbyD wrote:

odysseus2000 wrote:I am a cheap skate when it comes to spending money. I much prefer to watch what everyone else is doing and invest and trade accordingly while driving an old car which I service and repair myself as needed.

Hint: Everybody else is buying VW's.

Are VW still selling cars to their own people as they did last year to generate turnover?

Regards,

Whose cars do you think VW should offer to their employees as company cars?

Slightly surprised to see NASA choose the Spacex proposal for a lunar lander:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-56781556

To my untrained eye it looks to be a more technically challenging design compared with the Dynetics and Blue Origin proposals but perhaps the fact that tests are already underway for the Starship is a significant factor in their choice.

The 3 proposals are shown here, huge difference in scale:

https://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/spa ... oon-lander

I would imagine that Jeff Bezos is less than happy with the decision.

RC

ReformedCharacter wrote:Slightly surprised to see NASA choose the Spacex proposal for a lunar lander:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-56781556

To my untrained eye it looks to be a more technically challenging design compared with the Dynetics and Blue Origin proposals but perhaps the fact that tests are already underway for the Starship is a significant factor in their choice.

The 3 proposals are shown here, huge difference in scale:

https://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/spa ... oon-lander

I would imagine that Jeff Bezos is less than happy with the decision.

RC

As I understand it the mandate is to return to the moon in a sustainable manner. Of the 3 contestants only spaceX looks to offer a system that is capable of creating this kind of long term lunar base. The other two contestants look more like short term, more like Apollo, small number of visits with out the payload capability to create a long term sustainable lunar base. Starship has been designed from the beginning as a colonising tool.

I have not studied either competitor in depth so please correct me if I have this wrong.

Regards,

BobbyD wrote:

odysseus2000 wrote:

BobbyD wrote:
Hint: Everybody else is buying VW's.

Are VW still selling cars to their own people as they did last year to generate turnover?

Regards,

Whose cars do you think VW should offer to their employees as company cars?

The issue was not about which brand VW should offer their employees, but about VW using sales to their own employees to give the impression that the Id3 and id4 brands were selling well to the general public.

Regards,

odysseus2000 wrote:

BobbyD wrote:

odysseus2000 wrote:
Are VW still selling cars to their own people as they did last year to generate turnover?

Regards,

Whose cars do you think VW should offer to their employees as company cars?

The issue was not about which brand VW should offer their employees, but about VW using sales to their own employees to give the impression that the Id3 and id4 brands were selling well to the general public.

Regards,

VW has always sold cars to it's employees at a decent rate, it's a perk of the job.

Any more rumours, vagaries or innuendo you'd like dispelled (again)?

BobbyD
VW has always sold cars to it's employees at a decent rate, it's a perk of the job.

Any more rumours, vagaries or innuendo you'd like dispelled (again)?

So VW uses sales to employees to give the impression that there BEV are selling well to the general public, without issuing a correction, and does so at low margins.

What a way to run a business.

Regards,

According to the Sun, about half way down for text, Prince Charles arrived in a Tesla for his Father's funeral:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14676774/ ... rce=pushly

Regards,

I've enjoyed watching some of Lex Fridman's interviews with Elon Musk:

Elon Musk: Tesla Autopilot | Lex Fridman Podcast #18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEv99vxKjVI

Elon Musk: Neuralink, AI, Autopilot, and the Pale Blue Dot | Lex Fridman Podcast #49

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smK9dgdTl40

Elon Musk: Consciousness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilNPyQiEh2E

RC

ReformedCharacter wrote:I've enjoyed watching some of Lex Fridman's interviews with Elon Musk:

Elon Musk: Tesla Autopilot | Lex Fridman Podcast #18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEv99vxKjVI

Elon Musk: Neuralink, AI, Autopilot, and the Pale Blue Dot | Lex Fridman Podcast #49

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smK9dgdTl40

Elon Musk: Consciousness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilNPyQiEh2E

RC

Yes, Lex is great podcast anchor, getting a lot out of his guests.

Regards,

odysseus2000 wrote:

BobbyD
VW has always sold cars to it's employees at a decent rate, it's a perk of the job.

Any more rumours, vagaries or innuendo you'd like dispelled (again)?

So VW uses sales to employees to give the impression that there BEV are selling well to the general public, without issuing a correction, and does so at low margins.

What a way to run a business.

Regards,

You think VW should give its staff a staff discount on ICE but not on BEV? That would be a strange way to run a business. I wonder what line you'd be peddling then...